Denial of Abortion Hurts Women and can Kill them!

Oh, and by the way, I looked up the statistics. White women have the same rate of abortion in the US that women in Australia and New Zealand do.

It's not looking like handing out free stuff to women is reducing the abortion rate.

 

They are not UNWANTED. She wilfully chose it.

Go ahead, try to tell us that women don't know how babies are made, or that they don't understand consequences .. something even a 6 year old understands. Show us your true colours.

 

And?

 

On the contrary, it worked extraordinarily well for thousands of years prior to the advent of contraception. Females have controlled the size of their families since we were up in the trees.

"Preaching abstinence" has nothing to do with this conversation. Abstinence (if fertile and without contraception) is a clear choice if a pregnancy is not wanted. Take it or leave it, but if you leave it you cannot then say you didn't mean to conceive. Of course you ****ing did.

 

She choose risk when she engaged in unprotected coitus. THAT'S when she makes her choice, and yes, she's the only one who can make that choice. Unless he's going to rape her, the man has no say in it.

 

Of course not, because it has nothing to do with money. Nor does it have anything to do with contraception. Poor women around the globe are able to manage family size without recourse to abortion, and very often without contraception either.

I suspect this a deliberate ploy to reduce female power and autonomy, by enabling failure of same. "You shouldn't have to do anything boring and grown-up, like saying no to an impulse, and we're going to make sure you learn that lesson well by creating the illusion that everything you do in life is someone else's responsibility".

It's the same sinister motivation behind the Welfare State. Disable and thus control (women and poor people). And yes, it absolutely is driven by rich white men, as cliche as that sounds.

 

Your CONDESCENDING fallacy CONTRADICTS itself!

DENIAL of abortion FORCES a woman to REMAIN pregnant!

 

Have you NEVER heard about the human sex drive?

 

Complete and utter bovine excrement!

Contraceptives can and do FAIL which results in UNWANTED pregnancies!

 

Women are not held responsible for their decisions at conception. They are held responsible at birth, except in VA, where they can let the newborn baby lay there while the "mother" decides whether or not she wants to let the baby starve to death.

He can offer to pay for an abortion, but if the mother wants to keep the baby he is on the hook for 18 years of child support. I'm all for the baby living, but the man "made his decision" at conception and the woman gets to think about it for 9 months and decide whether or not she will make the husband pay for her decision or she will murder the baby.

According to the left it's not a child until IT is born. Why can't the man opt out of the responsibility just like the mother can?

That's what we are talking about. Men's choice is final at conception, but women get to decide whether or not men will in 9 months be paying child support for 18 years.

The man can't avoid supporting his conceived child unless the mother decides to put the child up for adoption.

I've been involved in 4 conceptions and I guarantee that she couldn't have done it without me. I can't gestate or abort a baby, but I can be forced to support either and have no say in the matter which after conception.

 

There is a difference between wanted and unwanted pregnancy. Wanting to have sex with someone does not necessarily mean one wants to become pregnant.

Again, we disagree. I believe the "very real and life changing decision" is made just before a woman makes the decision to respond to a man's advances (or him responding to hers).

Is it really necessary for everyone on a forum to preface every post with "All of the responses in my posts are based on my life experiences and those of people I've met along the way which include the laws and customs of the area in which I live on the planet"?

"They" all don't believe that women have no self-control. I believe SOME people have self-control. However, you are being hypocritical, unless you have NEVER had unprotected sex with someone with no intention of bringing a life into the world.

 

OhGAWD, here we go again with someone who believes women CHOOSE to get pregnant and that's how pregnancies are made ..

Hilarious!


Have you bothered to read the OP ? Doesn't look like it ..

Why would I do that??? ( Weirder and weirder....…we need some eerie spooky music here..)

 

Obviously there a "problem" there "Heard " about it? Never had it?

 

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DUH, he did....(goodgawd)

 

Canada doesn't have abortion laws and there abortion rate is lower than the US....

It's not looking like banning abortion would reduce the abortion rate...

 

They aren't?

How so?

Who IS responsible for women's decisions at conception? You ? LOLOLOL

Sheer unproven horsepuckey

….and you don't think men should be responsible for their children ??? Why not?

Yuppers, and that's all he gets...he could've just not had sex as Anti-Choicers keep reminding women

No, she gets 24 weeks.

It's against the law to murder babies but your denigration of women says quite a bit

Because parents are expected to support their children....did you want that law abolished so children can be just thrown out into the street ??? Sounds like it..

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Actually the law and courts do that.

It sounds like you don't want men to have any responsibility at all....what? They have a hard time with responsibility?

Can't handle it?

What? !!! That's in response to :

FoxHastings said: ↑
Men don't conceive ...they aren't the pregnant ones, they do NOT own the body of the pregnant one and can neither force her to gestate nor abort..
..that's a good thing."""""

HOW does YOUR silly comment refute what I wrote ???????

NO, you don't.....

( but you canNOT be forced to pay for an abortion, another error in your post)

No, men aren't the pregnant ones, they do NOT own the body of the pregnant one and can neither force her to gestate nor abort..
..that's a good thing."""""

 

I meant to add that abortion is hardly "convenient". It's ludicrous to even suggest that.

 

No, they haven't. Lack of knowledge of history doesn't change history.

If women have "controlled" the size of their families since we"" were up in the trees" (by magic?) then why were birth control pills invented (in the 20th century)?

Why were condoms invented ( I think by the ancient Egyptians) ?

Why did women seek out ways to abort their pregnancies throughout history ?

Yes, it does since preaching(screaming) abstinence doesn't prevent pregnancy.

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It's only one choice.

What TF does it matter if a woman "meant" to conceive or didn't?

What she meant to do has nothing to do with her rights...

In fact, what she "meant" to do has NOTHING to do with if she gets pregnant or not...

 

1) Choose the action, choose the consequences. We learn this as small children, remember? Unless you're saying women are too stupid to remember that lesson? Is that what you're saying?

2) Same thing. I'm saying the choice is made before conception.

3) Yes, in this case. It shows that abortion has nothing to do with money, or healthcare systems, or any other related excuses.

4) EXACTLY. That's the point being made here. That women make their choice freely and with full autonomy. Some will do whatever it takes to avoid a pregnancy, and some won't. In answer to your other question, I never had a pregnancy I didn't want. If women were as useless you people seem to think we are .. there would be 100 billion of us on the planet, not 7 billion.

 

You can't be this literal, surely?

It's a convenient fix for BUYER'S REMORSE. It's not more convenient than contraception or abstinence.

 

Maybe Canadian women are more responsible.

 

If a woman is only taking such risks (relying on less certain contraception) within the context of a stable and financially secure marriage, that's not going to be a problem.

All of it comes back to choices.

 

What on earth does that have to do with it? Many MANY people have thumpingly good sex lives throughout their marriages .. both during and after their child-rearing years. I know three couples with ten plus kids each, and while I don't agree with that kind of spastic breeding, what's it telling you about their bedroom?

I'll assume that such comments come from a place where there isn't sex on tap. You may want to rethink how it reflects on you

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Canada doesn't have abortion laws and there abortion rate is lower than the US....

Oh, please, what an inane response...

 

No woman who isn't raped is forced to become pregnant.