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Denial of Abortion Hurts Women and can Kill them!

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Derideo_Te, Sep 6, 2020.

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  1. CWV

    CWV Well-Known Member

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    Because the woman is the one with the choice. Remember?

    Men cannot have sex with a woman unless she says ok.
     
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    FoxHastings said: ↑
    I note YOU COULD NOT ADDRESS ANY ISSUES IN THE POST OF MINE YOU QUOTED nor refute anything therein :)





    LOL....but YOU can't show why ????....:)



    "Murder is wrong" yet you posted :

    """"""Don't get me wrong. I support the idea of the left killing their offspring. Just not for the same reasons as you.

    Just call it what it is. It's a choice to murder.

    CWV, 30 minutes ago Report""""""

    Gee that's TWISTED :)



    FoxHastings said: ↑
    I note YOU COULD NOT ADDRESS ANY ISSUES IN THE POST OF MINE YOU QUOTED nor refute anything therein :)
     
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    I agree that murder is wrong. It baffles my mind how people can twist reality to believe that abortion (pre-viability) is murder and why it only seems to matter when a person is at the fetal stage or dependent on one's skin color and/or lifestyle. Murder is murder, right?
     
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    FoxHastings said: ↑
    And, why don't Anti-Choicers ever advise MEN to "just not have sex" ?


    You did NOT, as usual, answer my question....why not? Can't?
     
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    This same poster posted :

    """"""Don't get me wrong. I support the idea of the left killing their offspring. Just not for the same reasons as you.

    Just call it what it is. It's a choice to murder.

    CWV, 30 minutes ago Report""""""
     
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    @CWV, is it your opinion that murder (at any age) is acceptable as long as the life killed has parent/s with different political views than you?

    If so, I would like to add to my post #53 and ask...

    I agree that murder is wrong. It baffles my mind how people can twist reality to believe that abortion (pre-viability) is murder and why it only seems to matter when a person is at the fetal stage or dependent on one's skin color and/or lifestyle and/or the political leanings of his/her parent/s.

    Murder is murder, right?
     
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    Murder is wrong. Period.
     
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    So when you say killing offspring it's just abortion but when I say it you put me on report.

    Typical.
     
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    Are you against any LEO that kills a person in the line of duty?
    Are you against soldiers killed during war times?
    Are you against civilians killed during war times?
    Are you against the death penalty?
    Are you against humans killing animals for food?
    Are you against humans killing animals for sport?
    Are you against humans killing animals for money (aka poaching)?
    Are you against humans killing insects in their home?
    Are you against humans killing insects in their natural habitat?
     
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    FoxHastings said: ↑
    This same poster posted :

    """"""Don't get me wrong. I support the idea of the left killing their offspring. Just not for the same reasons as you.

    Just call it what it is. It's a choice to murder.

    CWV, 30 minutes ago Report""""""


    WhatTF??? I didn't put you "on report" ? WTF are you talking about?

    I quoted YOUR post.

    The post where you thought "murder" was just fine...the bolded part....


    And DUH, "killing offspring", OFFSPRING, IS murder....they are BORN.

    killing an embryo isn't...
     
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    I didn't say killing. I said murder.

    And yes I am against the death penalty. I don't believe that humans have the right to take something away unless they are able to restore it. If you check the death certificate on a death penalty victim, the cause of death reads, Homicide.
     
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    I didn't say just fine. I said I support their choice.
     
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    My bad. I misread your quote.
     
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    If anti-abortionists spent half the time and money they expend trying to outlaw abortion on raising money for wanted babies that need help staying alive (incubators for hospitals, post- natal care clinics, nutritional programs for poor children) they would save more lives and have a more positive impact on the world around them.

    Every anti-abortion rally could have been a maternity clinic fund raiser.

    Every dime spent on lawyers fighting anti-abortion clinics could have bought a new incubator for a low income neighborhood hospital.

    Let's try and keep wanted babies alive.
     
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    FoxHastings said: ↑
    This same poster posted :

    """"""Don't get me wrong. I support the idea of the left killing their offspring. Just not for the same reasons as you.

    Just call it what it is. It's a choice to murder.

    CWV, 30 minutes ago Report""""""



    WhatTF??? I didn't put you "on report" ? WTF are you talking about?

    I quoted YOUR post.

    The post where you thought "murder" was just fine...the bolded part....


    And DUH, "killing offspring", OFFSPRING, IS murder....they are BORN.

    killing an embryo isn't...



    OK, you "SUPPORT" MURDERING political opponents fetuses ...and can't address the rest of my post ;)
     
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    Murder

    verb
    kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation.

    Source: dictionary.com​

    Are you against any LEO that murders a person in the line of duty? (When premeditated)
    Are you against soldiers murdered during war times? (Same as above)
    Are you against civilians murdered during war times? (Same as above)
    Are you against humans murdering animals for food? (Premeditated)
    Are you against humans murdering animals for sport? (Premeditated)
    Are you against humans murdering animals for money (aka poaching)? (Premeditated)
    Are you against humans murdering insects in their home? (Premeditated)
    Are you against humans murdering insects in their natural habitat? (Premeditated)
     
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    That money could also be spent on...

    Finding safe and welcoming homes for unwanted children,
    Developing training programs for people to find gainful employment,
    Scholarships for children in orphanages, group homes and foster programs,
    Scholarships for people in the prison systems,
    Education and funding for legal job training for sex workers,
    Etc.

    There are countless ways to help the children already born instead of wasting time, money and energy on reinventing the wheel. Abortion is legal. How about we find ways to help society in such to assist the women facing an unwanted pregnancy that doesn't involve shaming and blaming therefore having a positive impact on her life and the life of her child?
     
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    I did address it. You're wrong.
     
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    FoxHastings said: ↑
    This same poster posted :

    """"""Don't get me wrong. I support the idea of the left killing their offspring. Just not for the same reasons as you.

    Just call it what it is. It's a choice to murder.

    CWV, 30 minutes ago Report""""""



    WhatTF??? I didn't put you "on report" ? WTF are you talking about?

    I quoted YOUR post.

    The post where you thought "murder" was just fine...the bolded part....


    And DUH, "killing offspring", OFFSPRING, IS murder....they are BORN.

    killing an embryo isn't...





    OK, you "SUPPORT" MURDERING political opponents fetuses ...and can't address the rest of my post ;)


    Uh, yet you can't point out where I'm wrong.....are you denying that you posted what you posted ? HILARIOUS since it's there for all to see...your statement appears to show you "SUPPORT" what YOU call MURDER....


    ...and you are avoiding any other points ...

    for instance , what is "wrong " with """And DUH, "killing offspring", OFFSPRING, IS murder....they are BORN."""


    ??? AGAIN, NO answers to those inconvenient questions...:)
     
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    So, if I'm understanding you, it's okay for someone to murder their offspring if they or their parent/s don't share the same political leanings?

    What about a person that is conservative and later changes to liberal?
    What about a person that is not completely liberal and has some conservative leanings?
    What about a person with a conservative parent/s that chooses to become liberal?
    What about a person with no political affiliations?
    What about a person that disagrees with your opinion on EVERY topic?
     
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    Rather just the opposite.
    It would be a lot more cost-effective to save the babies the mothers don't want, when it is a perfectly normal healthy pregnancy, rather than spending hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to save the babies in the pediatric ICU who are wanted by the mother.

    I mean, when we are talking about incurring societal costs to save babies in general, what is the cost of the woman's choice?

    (But I think some consideration has to be given to the demand on the adoption market too.)
     
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    I agree and the 7% figure that is supposed to cover things like Lego, Barbie, iphones, laptops, xboxes, etc, etc is way too low. ;)
     
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    The above FAILS the challenge in the OP.

     
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    Here's a paper about that same disease that afflicted that woman caused by abortion
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4097700/

    Any time a woman's uterus is forcefully opened to the outside, there is a danger of infection.

    I think there is an old topic about this thing somewhere
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...prised-when-you-get-a-yeast-infection.383925/
     
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