The Religion Of Evolution And Infinite Typing Monkeys , , ,

Interesting post.
DEFinning, thanks for your comments and for your contributions
to the thread. I hope you post some more of your ideas.

Best.

JAG

 

That up there deserves its own post block.

JAG


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Ahhhh, another one of those, "If only I can prove science doesn't have all the answers yet, then the only remaining answer is God ...", threads.
*sigh*

Evolution is not a theory of how life started on Earth. It's a theory about how life adapted to its environment to survive. If you want to pretend that every
off hand remark of any person on the internet proves or disproves that theory, go ahead - but nobody will take you seriously.

 

"I ask one question: where did the material for the Big Bang come from?"

Where did God come from, if one could always exist, so could of the other....

Which is more likely, energy always existed and changed with time, OR an all-knowing, all powerful God always existed and used magic to create us

 

You don't bother to read the post that you quoted.
I said in the very post that you quoted this , , ,
JAG Wrote:
"It has been said on these forums. I do not know if the "say'er" was a
"professional" or not --- and with regard to me quoting them, not
now. They may, or may not, show up later -- but it is common knowledge
that some Evolutionists claim that astronomical numbers plus infinity or
plus "enough time" will inevitability produce life."___JAG

A Rose By Another Name Is Still A Rose , , ,
Evolutionists claim that astronomical numbers plus infinity or
plus "enough time" will inevitability produce life.

I mean that's what it "boils down to" -- they may phrase it differently,
and they may include , , ,

~ natural selection
and
~ :random mutation
and
~ statistically likely , ,
and
~ atoms and molecules
and
~ chemical reactions
and
~ etc etc etc

, , but we are still going to have Evolutionists claiming that
astronomical numbers plus infinity or plus "enough time" will
inevitability produce life.

And some claiming that they know with settled science that your
ancestors crawled up out of the Primordial Slime or Primordial
Soup, at first just a tiny speck, later to become the size of a dime,
later to become the size of a golf ball, later to become a Bullfrog
or Whatever, later to become a Monkey or a Chimp, later to become
a "George Washington" , , ,

, , and all that up there came to be a reality because
astronomical numbers plus infinity or plus "enough time"
will inevitability produce life

_______

However, if you do not believe that many have claimed what I said they
have claimed, then that's cool with me.

If you are correct {but you're not correct} but if you are correct, then you
and I have nothing much to discuss here -- but hang around and post
your thoughts --- something interesting might pop up.

Best.

JAG

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If you say so. Maybe you should have been (and still should be) clearer about who and what you're actually trying to address here. If it's just your faith against some other people's faith, I don't see the point other than the distraction your pointless arguments would cause the normal people.

There is nothing special about evolution in the world of science, it's jut another field of study. No scientific conclusion is unquestionable, though plenty is based on very solid and long established bases.

That isn't what I said. Don't put words in my mouth.

Of course I have ways of knowing. I'm one of them for a start. I can't know for 100% certainty of course but then nor can you. The fact remains that you can't establish that any significant proportion of the world population cares about the truth of evolutionary theory or that question impacts their lives in any kind of practical manner.

Which, even if all of those views represented a real, distinct human being, would still only be around 0.1% of the world population.

I know the impact they have on me and you know the impact they have on you (but aren't willing to admit). I also know the obviously limitated impact they could have on the billions of people who don't see them.

You've not quoted anyone yet so at the moment, your question is moot. It's essentially an empty strawman argument, which is a flawed and dishonest way of starting a discussion.

And do you acknowledge that your question would refer to abiogenesis and not evolution?

 

Thread participation is 100% voluntary.
Why bother with a thread that makes you "sigh"?
__________

And , , ,
Your characterization of the OP is incorrect.

Really?
So tell me how did life start on Earth?
I mean that's a pretty interesting question, I'd say.
I'd speculate that 95% of all humans past, present, and future
hotly crave to know the answer to that question.
So?
So its worth investigating.

So you say.
However many of your "Evolutionary-brothers" say its much more than
that and they present their Religion Of Evolution with religious zeal
and with excitable gusto.

I do not want to pretend that.

Take this seriously.
How about you personally giving me an answer to this below , ,

Evolutionists claim that astronomical numbers plus infinity or
plus "enough time" will inevitability produce life.

I mean that's what it "boils down to" -- they may phrase it differently,
and they may include , , ,

~ natural selection
and
~ :random mutation
and
~ statistically likely , ,
and
~ atoms and molecules
and
~ chemical reactions
and
~ etc etc etc

, , but we are still going to have Evolutionists claiming that
astronomical numbers plus infinity or plus "enough time" will
inevitability produce life.

And some claiming that they know with settled science that your
ancestors crawled up out of the Primordial Slime or Primordial
Soup, at first just a tiny speck, later to become the size of a dime,
later to become the size of a golf ball, later to become a Bullfrog
or Whatever, later to become a Monkey or a Chimp, later to become
a "George Washington" , , ,

, , and all that up there came to be a reality because
astronomical numbers plus infinity or plus "enough time"
will inevitability produce life

Best.

JAG

 

I don't know any evolutionists that have described certain knowledge of anything .
That's why it's called a THEORY. I'm sorry you don't understand how science works.
It's a great process - but it does not pretend to be something it's not.

You seem to be having trouble with individuals, not the process of science.

 

Yet more EVIDENCE of the CONFUSION behind these ENDLESS religious rants!

Evolution deals with EXISTING life forms!

Evolution has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the ORIGIN of life!

The Origin of Life has already been partially REPLICATED in Scientific studies.

We are comprised of 6 of the most COMMON ELEMENTS in the universe.

That we exist is evidence that life originated here on Earth and it has probably done so on countless other planets throughout the universe. We are nothing special.

The scientific EVIDENCE for EVOLUTION debunks the science deniers bovine excrement allegations that it is a "religion".

What is AMUSING is that the science deniers attempt to DENIGRATE Evolution by equating it to the SUPERSTITIONS that they BELIEVE themselves.

Little wonder that there is so much CONFUSION in these threads. To understand science requires the ability to reason and think logically about FACTS. The content of these threads demonstrates an ABSENCE of those abilities.

Sad!

 

What we see here is the creationist strawman fraud, lie about evolution, do not provide any evidence to substantiate your claims then sit back and repeat your absurd notion as well meaning people try to explain your error in what you think evolution is. Ignore any and all explanations of the truth and willfully ignore it. Do it across multiple threads and forum's and convince yourself you are fighting an ideological war. It's so pathetic it is sad!

And of course the saddest thing is they think they are doing their gods work, what a sad and shambolic god it must be to have nobody better to argue for it.

 

I do say so.

And maybe I should not be.

Thread participation is 100% voluntary.

Not arguments because you say they are.
Not pointless because you say they are.

False.
The "world of science" treats Evolution as very special.

A safe remark.

And you can not establish that they do not care about it.

And you cannot establish that is does not.

A Faith Based statement.
You have no remote idea how many people click on those articles and
videos. It could be far more than your speculations.

JAG

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I guess we'll have to wait until you have something to discuss then.

 

Yes, scientists have already replicated RNA in the lab, one step away from DNA.

 

Matter=energy, if you didn't know. The ball of energy produced the matter. God on the other hand had to wait for humans to evolve and create it.

 

Okay, we are finding different dino bones every day. And if the dino existed where did the animals of today come from? And not to mention Australia.

 

Then you have not read many threads here inside Thread
World on the Internet At Large.
Also that word "Evolutionists" can be tricky.
Maybe you are not counting as "Evolutionists" those many
followers and disciples of the Leaders Of Evolutionary Science
--- disciples that post in threads inside Thread World -- who DO
say that evolution is "certain knowledge."

So who knows what you mean by your word "Evolutionists"?

I have read many and many a thread where that was denied and
evolution was declared to be not a theory but settled science and
a scientific fact.
People that are widely read inside Thread World KNOW that what
I just said is a fact.

In fact I just recently read where Richard Dawkins clearly and
specifically said that evolution was no longer a theory and was a
scientific fact and that we ought not to call evolution a theory any
longer but rather call it established scientific fact.

You are incorrect.. You do not know what is being said here inside
Thread World.

Start quote.
"Other commentators – focusing on the changes in species over generations and in some cases common ancestry – have stressed, in order to emphasize the weight of supporting evidence, that evolution is a fact, arguing that the use of the term "theory" is not useful:

• Richard Lewontin wrote, "It is time for students of the evolutionary process, especially those who have been misquoted and used by the creationists, to state clearly that evolution is fact, not theory."[36]
• Douglas J. Futuyma writes in Evolutionary Biology (199 "The statement that organisms have descended with modifications from common ancestors—the historical reality of evolution—is not a theory. It is a fact, as fully as the fact of the earth's revolution about the sun."[6]
• Richard Dawkins says, "One thing all real scientists agree upon is the fact of evolution itself. It is a fact that we are cousins of gorillas, kangaroos, starfish, and bacteria. Evolution is as much a fact as the heat of the sun. It is not a theory, and for pity's sake, let's stop confusing the philosophically naive by calling it so. Evolution is a fact."[37]
• Neil Campbell wrote in his 1990 biology textbook, "Today, nearly all biologists acknowledge that evolution is a fact. The term theory is no longer appropriate except when referring to the various models that attempt to explain how life evolves... it is important to understand that the current questions about how life evolves in no way implies any disagreement over the fact of evolution."[38"
• End quote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_fact_and_theory#Evolution_as_fact_and_not_theory

You do not understand what is being said in the world of science.
I understand that mere human beings makes contradictory claims about
how science works.

The False-god-Science , , ,
I understand that in some cases the False-god-Science is made into the
Supreme Being by some while the God that created them is brushed aside.

I have no problem with either one.
I don't even say that Evolution is not true. Were you aware of that?
A significant number of people believe in Theistic Evolution and they may be
correct.

JAG

 

You have no grasp of what the process of science is.
You are taking the OPINIONS of some people and are trying to declare those OPINIONS as science.
It's not the fault of science that you confuse OPINION and science.

 

You Are A Man Of Great Faith , , ,
Either way you go on that it is a Faith Based Belief.
You can believe that God always existed by Faith.
You can believe that Matter always existed by Faith.
So what you said is not profound.
What you said requires more Faith than it does to believe in God.

On your Faith Based Belief that matter always existed, you have
to believe that , , ,

~ unthinking non-intelligent Time
plus
~ unthinking non-intelligent Chance
plus
~ unthinking non-intelligent Matter , , ,

. . . produced a , , ,

■ highly complex Human Brain
and
■ a highly complex Human Eye
and
■ a highly complex Fully Functioning Human Body
and
■ a highly complex Earth
and
■ a highly complex Universe.

You are a Man Of Great Faith,
a Man Of The Cloth.


JAG

 

False.
You do not know what you are talking about.
You have near to zero understanding of what is being said
inside Thread World on the Internet At Large.
You Ignore what is put right in front of you.
When you are faced with solid clear evidence that refutes
your previous statements -- you double-down on your incorrectness
and Ignore the evidence and proceed to re-post your incorrectness.
You do not even understand the OP.
You do not understand my follow up posts.

You basically Ignore everything that does not agree with you.

You ignored this , ,

I don't even say that Evolution is not true. Were you aware of that?
A significant number of people believe in Theistic Evolution and they may be
correct.

JAG

 

Many religious people are willing for you to keep your precious
Religion Of Evolution.

On Theistic Evolution , , ,
You can have both God and Evolution.
Significant numbers of people believe in Theistic Evolution.

If your Evolution is correct, then God used that
process -- note that I said "if" your Evolution is
correct.

You can not prove Evolution is true in the sense
that human's ancestors originally crawled up out
of the Primordial Slime or Primordial Soup, at
some point the size of a speck, later to become
the size of a dime, later to become the size of a
golf ball, later to become Bullfrogs or Whatever,
later to become Monkeys or Chimps, later to
become "George W. Bush."

~ a speck
~ later the size of a dime
~ later the size of a golf ball
~ later to become Bullfrogs {or Whatever}
~ later to become Monkeys or Chimps
~ later to become "George W. Bush."

You could not prove with Empirical Evidence that
"George W. Bush" originally started off as a speck
that crawled up out of the Primordial Slime, or wiggled
up out of the Primordial Slime, or was washed up out
of the Primordial Slime -- if your life depended on you
proving it.

If you believe it, then you are a Man Of Faith.

So What? Who Cares? , , ,
Evolution is not a crucial issue for the Christian anyway.
Millions of us say you have NOT scientifically proved
that "George W. Bush" started off as a single-celled
speck that "came up out of the Slime" -- but even if
you do, one day, prove that it happened that way,
So what? Who cares? We will forever believe in the
God that created the Human Person, the Human
Brain, the Human Eye, the Earth, the Universe, and
all that exists --- how He did it, is interesting but it has
zero to do with our Faith in God.

"Have Faith in God."___The Lord Jesus {Mark 11:22}

JAG


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I would say that someone that subscribes to theist evolution does not have full faith in the Bible. The Bible says 6 days and creation was finished. But if you have to justify your belief system or " make it fit" please do so. I just like to argue and evolution is so easy.

 

Biology teaches us that Bush came from 2 specks. One from mom and one from dad. 1/2 and 1/2 from each so, like both parents but different. This is where chance comes in.

 

Contrast that up there , , ,

, , with this down below , , ,

Start quote.
Evolutionary biologist Kirk J. Fitzhugh[39] writes that scientists must be cautious to "carefully and correctly" describe the nature of scientific investigation at a time when evolutionary biology is under attack from creationists and proponents of intelligent design. Fitzhugh writes that while facts are states of being in nature, theories represent efforts to connect those states of being by causal relationships:

"'Evolution' cannot be both a theory and a fact. Theories are concepts stating cause–effect relations. Regardless of one's certainty as to the utility of a theory to provide understanding, it would be epistemically incorrect to assert any theory as also being a fact, given that theories are not objects to be discerned by their state of being."

Fitzhugh recognizes that the "theory" versus "fact" debate is one of semantics. He nevertheless contends that referring to evolution as a "fact" is technically incorrect and distracts from the primary "goal of science, which is to continually acquire causal understanding through the critical evaluation of our theories and hypotheses." Fitzhugh concludes that the "certainty" of evolution "provides no basis for elevating any evolutionary theory or hypothesis to the level of fact."[40]

Dr William C. Robertson writing for National Science Teachers Association writes, "I have heard too many scientists claim that evolution is a fact, often in retort to the claim that it is just a theory. Evolution isn’t a fact. Rather than claiming so, I think scientists would be better served to agree that evolution is a theory and then proceed to explain what a theory is -- a coherent explanation that undergoes constant testing and often revision over a period of time."[41]
End quote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolu...volution_as_a_collection_of_theories_not_fact


JAG

 

Somehow I can overlook your pompous attempt at insult. Why is ignorance always what you resort to accusing your adversaries of? Can't you do reason?

Here's the deal, Jet......
You think you have the "How" all tied up. You know how life began out of nothing. When you can replicate that, perhaps I will believe. Until then, I'll leave you to your "faith".

I have a very good idea as to the "Why". It makes absolute perfect sense to me. I openly call it "faith" because I understand it was meant to be that way. I prefer to deal in the "Why". Aside from calling me "ignorant" would you like to have me locked up and put away because of my different approach?

 

Biology teaches a lot of stuff,
See that post up there on what your scientific "experts" , , "teaches."

JAG