Who are the Proud Boys

Dang, and I did it in a descending format, one word to start and then a visual, then a short two sentence quip... THEN another visual and a throttled back to a eleven word sentence and here I am now having to explain it to you. MY GOD BRO... Maybe someday these type of forums will be equipped with audio ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯

 

All you are providing evidence of is the leftist narrative.You provide no evidence that the proud boys are racist from their rhetoric or actions.

 

Me? You already provided it!

Here...

 

All you are providing evidence of is the leftist narrative.You provide no evidence that the proud boys are racist from their rhetoric or actions.

And that’s racist why?

 

Let me know if you ever decide to post in English....

 

Huh? Do I have to spell it out? I can understand that @ButterBalls would need hand holding, but ...

Ok. Let's see. Western chauvinists who created the modern world? Who do you think they are referring to? Mexicans maybe? Chinese or some other Asians? Nicaraguans? Africans? Who do you think are these people who "created the modern world" And claim some "right" to be prejudiced against all those who didn't "create the modern world"?

 

Western culture did indeed bring us the modern world. When Europe spread across the world they encountered with rare exceptions nothing but Stone Age societies. Facts are not racist.

 

So basically right wing domestic terrorists with an extremist agenda who support Trump. Well I can see why the OP & his buddies are so desperate to defend them.

 

They claim to not be violent...but that is an obvious lie since part of their initiation is getting onto a major street fight

They claim to not be racist...but then they are almost entirely made up of 20-30 year old WHITE street thugs that hang out with groups that are explicitly racist

SO...

 

The above statement is so WRONG it's mind boggling.

But that doesn't matter because now we are in agreement that they are talking about White Europeans.

So these "Proud Boys" claim they have a "right" to be prejudicial (i.e. "chauvinist") against all those who are not, as we have established, ethnic "white Europeans".

People who believe that are called "White Supremacists" or "racists".

See? It wasn't that difficult.

 

Just listen to the guys.
They are Neo Nazis.
Simple as that.

 

The founder is no longer a part of them. Should we be against Planned Parenthood because Margaret Sanger was for eugenics? Personally I'm all for Planned Parenthood. You? I'm still debating on the Proud Boys however. I haven't seen any real proof of them being racist.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...-sanger-deserves-no-honors-column/5480192002/

 

Everyone is bigoted to some degree. You're bigoted against anyone that supports Trump right? Being a bigot =/= bad. Being a bigot simply means that you are against X.

And I don't know if it was you but haven't you argued before that you shouldn't condemn a whole group for the actions of a few?

 

Proud Boys appear to be a bunch of older mostly white men who probably avoided military service who show up at protests and demonstrations with automatic weapons strapped around their necks trying to intimidate and threaten the general public.

 

Could you prove any of those? With links preferably.

 

They are a violent hate group.

That is not actually in dispute

Are they a white supremacist group?

They claim not to be in spite of the fact that they consort with groups that are and ALSO claim to not be violent...which is demonstrably false

 

So here we have Trump supporters defending a known hate group.
Look at their defense: semantics, splitting hairs over definitions, and whataboutism.

How sweet ! Confirmation that Trump supporters side with violent, racist bigots.

It also has the effect of making any of their complaints about similar groups pure hypocrisy.

 

I personally know of 3 members of the Proud boys who were arrested and charged with crimes. Are there more? As many as has been arrested for the BLM/Antifa riots?

 

I forget, but I would support that view

But, I don't support your idea of what is, or is not, bigotry.

There is a confusion on the distinction between bigotry and intolerance.

All bigotry is intolerance.

But not all intolerance is bigotry.

So, how do we tell one from the other?

It's rather simple.

If the intolerance is ugly, it's bigotry

If the intolerance is just, it's just intolerance.

For example, prejudice against a black man. That's bigotry. The more specific type of bigotry here is racism. All racism is bigotry, but not all bigotry is racism.
One can be a bigot about a particular religion, such as judaism, which is not a race, but prejudice against isn't just, therefore, it's bigotry. .But, if a particular
religion advocated stoning prostitutes, and it was common for it's practitioners
to put it to practice, then criticizing the religion, as it extends to unjust acts, it not bigotry, it is just.

But intolerance of someone who is a bully, that is not bigotry, because it's just.

Therefore, condemnation of that which deserves it, is not bigotry, though it is intolerance.

I believe there is sufficient evidence that Trump is an existential threat to the national security, and the general health, of the united states.

Therefore, I will criticize anyone and everyone who supports him.

My intolerance does not arise from prejudice, it arises from deeds.

My criticism is for their support, but it isn't about them, personally.

Therefore, it is not 'bigotry'.

That has been my understanding of the term, anyway.

 

If the guy who is the leader who is a bigot left, and the rest of them are not, fine. But, if a leader is, so is his flock by virtue of their support.

So, you tell me, I'm no expert on the group.

 

His language is homophobic, the very first sentence, and he brags about beating up lefties. they like to pick fights with those whose politics are the opposite of their own. Now, he says he likes to pick fights with 'antifa' but he didn't say 'we stopped them from setting a building on fire,' the distinction is important.

 

Gavin is no longer with the group.

 

I'm no expert either. But I can use Google. The leader of the Proud Boys is Enrique Torrio, a Cuban American who also is a State Director for a group called Latino's for Trump. https://latinosfortrump.us/team-trump

Additionally the Proud Boys have kicked out known white nationalists before:

 

My idea of bigotry is what the definition of it is. I don't try to justify my bigotry like you just did here. What is and isn't "just" is subjective. What is and isn't ugly is subjective. I do agree that bigotry can be good or bad. For example bigotry against blacks just because they're black is indeed bad. Being bigoted against that person that is bigoted against blacks just because of their skin color is good. But in the end they are both still bigotry. I personally am proud of the fact that I am bigoted against white supremacists.

Just so you know what my idea of bigotry is: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigotry

Bigotry in and of itself is not a bad thing. Its how its applied that determines whether or not its bad or good or even neutral.

 

Some people think it's an LGBT group: