Who are the Proud Boys

Why wouldn't I? I oppose offensive violence. If they're not attacking anyone, then they're only a danger to criminals (and themselves).

 

There isn't any. The media and radical left are just pissed that their special little commie gangs can't win a real fight. So obviously the opposition are racist...

 

There is no claim to be prejudiced against anyone. You made that up out of thin air.

 

Ah...so by "hobby-brawlers" you meant bullies.

 

That is quite a leap. They do not claim any such thing. This is your own spin.

 

'a person who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate those whom they perceive as vulnerable?'

No.

That would be the folks beating up old women and people in wheelchairs.

 

I understand why you want to change the subject. But I want it to sink in. Proud boys are racist white supremacists. Proven!

In regards to your "western culture" nonsense, that has been thoroughly debunked by historians and anthropologists many times. So I'll just leave you with one thought: It is generally considered that there are three people or ideas, if you prefer, that have had the most influence in modern culture. Over 90% (to use an arbitrary number to indicate a very high percentage) of western culture in the modern world is attributable to: Newton, Confucius and Jesus (or "messianic cultures"). Only one of those is "western European".

I could go on and on. And I did... and then deleted it. Because it's both off-topic and something that is only relevant to debunking racist nonsense. There are much more interesting topics going on today. Who would give a crap about discussing the origins and evolution of modern culture in a political forum? Other than white supremacists, of course. And even those are interested in it only to try to distort it. Plus those like you, who drank the kool-aid.

Debunked? Funny... you haven't even referred to it. But, of course, rational thought and being a Trump supporter are incompatible.

And it's the reason why you are now so desperately trying to change the subject.

 

I see no one defending Antifa

But here you are defending these violent creeps

 

I see nothing in the words "western" or "chauvinist" that say racist to me.

 

How are they creeps?

Nothing racist about them.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/30/wilfred-reilly-insists-proud-boys-arent-white-supr/

You just don't like what they stand for, so you give them negative labels to make yourself feel better.

 

Who pummels who? Is it alternating weekends or just monthly cage matches?

 

Let me know when Proud Boys start attacking people and I'll oppose them. Until then, their thrill seeking only hurts the criminals that attack them.

 

My God! What in the world do you think the word "chauvinist" means?

Jesus!

 

Western chauvinist.

I take it to mean one who steadfastly defends, honors and upholds western culture. A term not of race but of societal values, the differences between us and everyone else.

American chauvinist. Oh yeah. Guilty in the first degree. Drop the Constitution on me.

They fling other terms around like nationalist (or worse) but I served my country and took an oath to defend it. Nothing has ever been shown to me that a military oath ever expires, just the term of the enlistment. I am in that defense of my nation for life, from enemies foreign or domestic. Meaning in my opinion the left.

Chauvinists love their country. History is replete with excesses, but overall a country is always better with optimists instead of naysayers, which are what the left has always been.

 

noun: chauvinist; plural noun: chauvinists
a person displaying aggressive or exaggerated patriotism.

I would say that describes me as well.

 

If you regard your heritage as 'white' instead of 'German', 'Swedish', etc...

The issue is that Europeans were expected to melt into America and basically forget their heritage while adopting the history of the USA as their own. This expectation is not expected of today's immigrants and that is why some Europeans are trying to relearn their forgotten heritage while being unable to do so they turn to skin color as the easiest identifier of their history.

 

How that is different than the left and their campaign against Israel? BDS, yes?

There are Ethiopian Jews far different in appearance than someone born say in Tel Aviv. The religion accepts converts as well (including U.S. celebrities). It is entirely accurate to say that MOST Jews are of the same RACES. And there's always some putz that's the exception. Shalom!

 

Omar and friends attacks jews as well. Shall we condemn the entire democratic party of bigotry?

 

That was a tough read bro, confusing for me, sorry Anyway, I'm Slovenian and Italian, if that clears anything up..

 

If you make a claim like 'the left is against Israel'. please substantiate such a claim. See, from where I sit, if that is YOUR opinion, I'll just say you are entitled to it, but if you can show me how the left is against Israel, I'll answer it from that established fact, IF, indeed, it is a fact.

The point I made that saying hating jews is racist is not racist, whether or not that is true, but it is bigotry, and that's just as bad as racism ( racism is bigotry, but not all bigotry is racism).

 

Definition of chauvinism


1: an attitude of superiority toward members of the opposite sexmale chauvinismalso : behavior expressive of such an attitude
2: undue partiality or attachment to a group or place to which one belongs or has belongedregional chauvinism
3: excessive or blind patriotism— compare JINGOISMhis fervent nationalism mutated into blatant chauvinism

Its not unreasonable to presume they mean the first definition, except there are women in the 'Proud Boys', so I think it would be more reasonable to presume def 2 or 3.

 

So ignoring the word "chauvinist", Which you yourself quoted, is what your rebuttal is reduced to.

Pathetic response. Not to mention how alarming it is that there are people on this forum who would resort to such nonsense to defend a racist group.

 

Racist and chauvinist are not synonymous. A large portion of their membership are minorities, so your accusations of racism are absurd.

 

They are also bullies