Who are the Proud Boys

Proud of their country. Proud of their western culture. Proud of being themselves instead of following leftist SJW political correctness. Is something wrong with that?

 

Well that tells me absolutely nothing, as moderately and highly educated people seem to have wildly differing points of view on this. I want your opinion.

 

What different opinion? There is only one opinion as to what white supremacists are. You can change the words, but there is no difference. It's in the expression: white (self identified ethnic white people of European descent) supremacists (claim of superiority over those who are not of said ethnic group)

Please do share some of those "different opinions" you speak of. And explain what it has to do with this non-existent "race" thing that you spoke of.

 

im just curious how you think African Americans, Hispanics, and other minorities can be white supremacists. That’s where you lose me.

 

I don't know how ANYBODY could be a white supremacist.

 

Got it, you can’t answer the question. We all know you aren’t making sense. You just confirmed it.

 

Easy, just like how anyone can be a Leprechaun.......in an imaginary world.

 

I think it's more like you don't know how to ASK a question.

"HOW can people be xxxx" is almost always a dumb question.

Tip: try having a point next time.

See? You learned something today. Good luck...

 

ummmm, no. You’ve been dancing around the question all night. You won’t give a straight answer because you know how ridiculous you sound. It’s ok, I really wasn’t expecting much.

 

I would agree, Wikipedia is not always correct. I would add, it is very likely, that no source is always correct.

Did you actually go to the article? I felt it, at least partially, answered the OP question: "Who are the Proud Boys" The first sentence of the Wikipedia article on Proud Boys (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys) has thirteen footnotes. I have listed ten of them here for convenience.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/us/proud-boys-trump.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...tioned-debate-has-violent-history/5868406002/

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs...scroll=top&needAccess=true&journalCode=rrsq20

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00131857.2019.1672854

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/resrep25259.pdf

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/30/proudboys1001/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/14/proud-boys-far-right-portland-oregon

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/gavin-mcinnes-proud-boys-poisonous-violence/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...oup-white-nationalism-report?CMP=share_btn_tw

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...tionalist-ties-law-enforcement-officials-say/

 

I provided you the dictionary definitions that clearly show the term has more than one applicable meaning, the you edit it out and ask for relevancy...

Thats a dumb game. You can play it by yourself.

 

so, by 'also', are you suggesting the bullies are fighting other bullies?

wouldn't that be a good thing?

 

No, being a "western chauvinists" is not racist? No, it isn't. Aren't African Americans African chauvinist? I know you believe in the false and unsupportable claim that minorities can not be racist. But that is a completely moronic view. You can not give minorities a free pass on racism no more then you can claim that all whites are racists.

The Proud Boys are an organization that supports white equality. Right now, there is no equality. Whites are considered automatically racist. Which is not right. The support given to whites are no different then those given to blacks by the NAACP or racist government programs such as Affirmative Action.

Proud Boys operate based on the statement that there is no reason to be embarrassed about being white. They do not tolerate racism among their members. Their tenants says specifically that. Yet, they are consistently labeled as a racist organization by liberals. But then liberals have always preferred their false narratives to actual facts.

 

This is so ludicrous that I can only conclude one thing. There is a sickness in the US.

The Proud Boys are but a horrible symptom.

 

You act as if the proud boys are only going around beating up people who are in the act of beating up helpless people and that’s just not the case as logistically that would be impossible.

 

It's pretty much accepted that many (not all but many) of your most virulent homophobes are in fact latent homosexuals themselves. Just so but less frequently it's not unheard of for people who are minorities to pretend they are not or, more commonly, for them to say they are only part minority and to discount the part that isn't the majority group. This is closely related to black people "passing" as white, which is still commonly done, conservative mythology notwithstanding.

White Supremacy like any other form of mental illness, often manifests itself in bizarre ways.

 

Why would that be impossible or even that difficult logistically?

 

Liberal media has invested itself in portraying the Proud Boys as racist. Tell me, if they were really racist...then why would they chase white supremacists away from their rally while chanting for them to go away? Why do they have members that are POC? Including the leader being a POC who also is a part of another organization called Latinos for Trump?

 

They can’t be everywhere.

 

wow, you guys are grasping at straws here. And you are all proving to have the more racist views. It seems the left here demands their minorities act or think a certain way, or they are no longer considered whatever their race is, and are now part of the enemy, and are actually racist against their own race.

you guys are doing some crazy mental gymnastics here. Why can’t you just say that you don’t agree with the proud boys point of view, but they are obviously not racist?

 

Yes we already know the leftist media position. Try looking at the group yourself and using your own mind instead of repeating left wing dogmas.

 

Let's summarize. You are desperately trying to prove that a group that claims that they are bigots against anything that is not "western culture", which even posters on your side agree means white Europeans, are not racists and white supremacists. Based on some... nonsense about their founder or... somebody... being Cuban. I don't even know what your argument is, but it's absurd. Who cares about individual members of the group? I'm talking about the group and what the group (as a whole) officially state.

What I hear from you has a negative side: it's a desperate denial of reality. But it also has a positive side. It means you're not a racist yourself. Because you're a Trump supporter, and you are desperately trying to defend "The Leader" from the obvious fact that he is a racist.

In other words, you may not be racist, but you drank the kool-aid. And asked for a second serving.

But the world is not composed of hardcore Trump loyalists. Look around you. Read to anybody who is not a Trump loyalist, or a racist. Read to them the statement on the OP. Don't tell them what group you're talking about. Just read the this:

"The basic tenet of the group is that we are “Western chauvinists who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world.”
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See how many would not immediately conclude that this group is not racist. If you do this honestly, I am sure you will find none. Not a single one.

If you had any interest in remaining in touch with reality, you would do this honestly. You won't! Because reality is not what you're interested in.

End of story....

 

I certainly believe that you think patriotism is horrible.

 

Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious. By attacking anti-racist as racist you only confirm an innate sense of irrationality amongst the right wing.

 

Dictionary definitions are dictionary definitions. They provide definitions, not meanings.

https://effectiviology.com/appeal-t...the Dictionary,dictionary or a similar source.

What you're trying to do (as others on this thread) is try to defend a group of racists for the only reason that they support a racist for President*.

As I told another poster doing the same: the bad thing is that you deny reality. The good thing this tell me is that you consider racism a negative and, therefore, that you are not a racist.

But you still deny reality. Which means you drank the kool aid. You are trying to act as if a group that proclaims that they are chauvinist against anybody who is not of "western culture" (which even posters on your side admit means ethnical European white) are not racists.

Good luck convincing anybody who is not a racist or a Trump loyalist of the type that would excuse him even if he shot somebody in the middle of 5th avenue (I could have made this whole description using just one word that forum rules don't allow me to use.)