The Religion Of Evolution And Infinite Typing Monkeys , , ,

I still maintain that I reject one less god then he does. Out of 33+ million, we are in as much agreement as possible, without being in agreement.

I'm not sure what one god has over the many millions of others, but it is what it is.

Kirk Cameron believes the banana is proof positive of god. Something like, who, but god, would know to shape the banana peel to perfectly match the fruit inside. I just eye roll.

If evolution is true, why hasn't my cat turned into a camel? That's one of my favorites.

All that. Blech. Science haters just hate science. We can't fix stupid.

 

I sometimes wonder if you even bother to read posts that you
respond to. My view is that you merely glance over my posts
and do not carefully read them -- and my view is that you
never or rarely "deep read" my posts.

Here is just one example , , ,

Previously YOU yourself made the identical same point
that I agreed with. Here is what YOU said, in effect and
I am paraphrasing what you said A belief in God, the
Bible, and Intelligent Design may NOT be mutually
exclusive lines of thought.

Then I replied to the point that YOU made and I agreed with
it, and I said this:

JAG Wrote
"■ A belief in God, the Bible, and Intelligent Design may NOT
be mutually exclusive lines of thought."

Then you responded to my point where I
was AGREEING with your point and you
posted this:

Lets recap:
Here is what happened:

An Taibhse said, in effect, this >> A belief in God, the Bible,
and Intelligent Design may NOT be mutually exclusive lines
of thought.

JAG AGREED and Replied with this >> "■ A belief in God,
the Bible, and Intelligent Design may NOT be mutually
exclusive lines of thought."

An Taibhse replied with this >> "Was that a refutal to
an argument being made or even relevant to
a discussion of abiogenesis, evolution, and a
God Did it discussion?"

_________________

Best.

JAG


"But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my
power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will
boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so
that Christ's power may rest on me."___2 Corinthians 12:9


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Why are you discussing ME PERSONALLY with another
poster and doing that "behind my back" so to speak? Does
your moral code of Honesty, Honor, and Integrity have
anything to say about you doing that?

JAG

 

All that up there is your opinion.
My view is not erroneous.
All men know there is a God because the Lord Himself said they do.
This is my position and I am not going to budge 1/800 of an inch off
of it because my position is based upon , ,
Romans 1:18-20
Romans 2:15
Romans 1:18
Eccl. 3:11
Psalm 19:1-4

"what may be known about God is plain to them, because
God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the
world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature
have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been
made, so that people are without excuse."
___The Apostle Paul Romans 1:18-20

I have 2 choices:
{1} I can believe what God said.
or
{2} i can believe what An Taibhse says

I choose to believe {1}

JAG


___________


"For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance:
that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that
he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according
to the Scriptures."__1 Corinthians 15:3-4



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That is a "tired and worn out" utterance.
It has only been posted in Thread World on the Internet 500 trillion times.

God says you know that He exists.

"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of
his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they
reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound
is heard from them.
Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends
of the world."
__Psalm 19:1-4

And Psalm 19:1-4 is 1 of 5
Romans 1:18-20
Romans 2:15
Romans 1:18
Eccl. 3:11
Psalm 19:1-4

You have heard about "thread drift." It happens.

Best.

JAG

"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord,
plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give
you hope and a future."__Jeremiah 29:11


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JAG Writes:
I LOVE science. True science. My view is that God LOVES
true science too, for example Math , , ,

My view is that Math originated in the nature of God who
is the Original Mathematician --- just as all the other
disciplines also originated in the nature of God.

God Is the , , ,
Original Mathematician
Original Physicist
Original Cosmologist
Original Inventor
Original Artist
Original Scientist
Original Oceanographer
Original Philosopher
Original Epistemologist
Original Empiricist
Original Poet
Original Writer
Original Lover {wanting the best for others}
Original Chooser { Volition }
Original Economist
Original Emotion-ist {the full range of All Good Emotions}
Original Planner
Original Creator
Original Designer
Original Technologist
Original Educator
Original Botanist
Original Geologist
Original Everything Good , , ,

, , and we humans participate in all that up there since we are
made in the image of God , , ,

, , and that above is why human beings, made in the image of God,
have been able to build the modern world and will be able to keep making
progress in Science and Technology for ever and ever, even when the
human race makes the transition from Earthly human history to Eternity.

Humans are made in the image of God and God has , ,
~ An Intellect --- and so do we humans
~ Emotions --- and so do we humans
~ Volition {a Will, the ability to choose -- and so do we humans

God's Human Race Project ends victoriously.

Long live science. True science.

JAG

______________


"We can't fix stupid"___Curious Always.
I disagree.
Stupid can be fixed.
If it is because of lack of learning, then Education can fix it.
If it is because of some mental disorder then that can be fixed also -- with medical treatment.

stupid - having or showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense


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Nobody is talking behind you back, it is another example of the fundy inventing persecution. You put people on ignore and we comment on your arguments, you love the ignore function, you like to boast about it, now you moan people are talking behind your back!

It is yet another example of you deflecting away from the arguments and finding anything possible to make it personal.

 

You have no Empirical Evidence that your original ancestor
was at one time a dead one-celled speck that lived in the
Primordial Slime and then later begin to pulsate with life.

Pulsate , , just a slight boom , , boom , , boom , , ,

I mean the one-celled speck was not always alive --so there
was a time when Old One-Cell was as dead as a door nail , ,

, , , but , , , ,

, , lo and behold , , ,

, , ,Old One Cell at some point became alive and it began to pulsate.

Then Time Passed.

After awhile Old One Cell, increased to the size of a pecan.

Then later on Old One Cell increased to the size of a baseball.

Then to the size of a Chicken.

A chicken , , ,

Then later on as Time Passed Old One Cell has now become a Toad Frog.
{or What Ever You Claim It Became}

But Old One Cell did not remain a Toad Frog.

On no.

Old One Cell eventually became a Chimp.

Then as time Passed a "scientific miracle" occurred , , ,

Here it comes , , ,

Old One Cell now at last as become "a Ronald Reagan"
and "a Ruth Bader Ginsburg."

And all that up there happened due to , , ,

~ natural selection
and
~ :random mutation
and
~ atoms and molecules wiggling around
and
~ chemical reactions taking place . . .

, , , and all that was produced by

~ unthinking non-intelligent Time
plus
~ unthinking non-intelligent Chance
plus
~ unthinking non-intelligent Matter , , ,

, , which produced a , ,

~ highly complex Human Brain

~ and a highly complex Human Eye, and

~ a highly complex Fully Functioning Human Body

So?

So if you believe all that up there, then you are a Great Man Of Faith
and you believe in the Religion Of Evolution.

My view is >> It requires MORE faith to believe in all that up there, than
it requires to believe in John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He
gave His one and only Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish
but have Eternal Life."

Best.


JAG




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No if you believe all that up there you believe the strawman that you and other fundamentalists created in order to further their religious beliefs, it has nothing to do with evolution or abiogenesis.

No one believes your strawman so the point is mute. However it requires faith to believe in a book which for whicxh there is no original copies, very few identifiable authors and talks about an apocalyptic jewish rabbi being bodily raised from the dead!

 

Agreed. You are right about the doubts which exist - not about the authenticity of a man named Jesus - but about what was written about him and the words he supposedly spoke.

I don't believe the Jewish preacher was apocalyptic at all. He was an 'evangelist' seeking to turn his people back to Yahweh. He hit hard at the religious heirarchy, but he never threatened Rome (render unto Caesar....). He acknowledged Rome's authority. Most of the apocalyptic statements were added later to give him his Divinity. IF he ever uttered the words about Jerusalem it was not a prophecy. He could see the problems that the Jews were causing the Romans - how many 'messiahs' they had had to put down, the actions of the Sicarri and Zealots. It was clear that Roman would not continue to tolerate this. The first thing any conquering nation did was to at least try to occupy the capital or main city of their opponents. This usually contained the centre of Government. This the Romans did.
There have been many men down through history who have adjudged situations and uttered warnings. Whether those warnings have been heeded or not is another matter.

 

Its so cute how you get offended at the reactions people write to offensive things you write. If you are going to be so bold as to declare to people that they dont believe what they say they do and "atheists do not exist" because you read that in a fancy book, you should probably grow a thicker skin.

 

Let’s see now, any post I make to a thread you’ve participated in results in an automatic alert to you, so how do you construe that as ‘talking behind your back’? If that were my intention would I not use personal messaging which would be opaque to you? I responded to a question of another poster. That you were mentioned was a consequence of you authoring the OP which was the subject of the question asked.
As for attempting to imply some Flaw in my honor code (your second attempt), good luck trying. One thing you might note, there was a implication of stupidity of those that follow scripture and reject science; I did not follow and endorse that line of thinking; While you reject certain narratives suggested by science, I do not see that as an indicator of stupidity, rather a product of an epistemological framing and methodology for assessing evidence, knowledge, and a base for confirmation bias that is radically and categorically different than one based on Cartesian Skepticism which methodologically underlies the framing that approaches assessing evidence and knowledge using the scientific method. The epistemological frames are not only not interchangeable but provide no logical methodology for hybridization. However, when you post statements relative to your criticisms of Evolution or of the belief in the improbability of biogenesis, you are attempting to refute that probability from a position of not understanding Evolution Theory and not understanding the current state of research... not a product of stupidity, but one of not being aware of the accumulation of the body of understanding that has been accumulated by those working to accumulate understanding of using the scientific method.
Because those involved in scientific inquiry admit they yet have questions and continue pursuing lines of inquiry doesn’t indicate that research employing the scientific method is categorically wrong and there for ‘God’ or ID is causal (an attempt at hybridization of the epistemological frames and methods), it merely means those pursuing scientific inquiry haven’t satisfied the requirements of their methodology to reach a level of confidence that can be accepted by those engaged in a search for understanding using the scientific method. In science, perfect certainty is not the expected result of inquiry, continually increasing levels of confidence is part of the methodological approach. For instance, regarding Einstein's Special Relativity Theory, over 100 years of continual confirming experimentation, measurement, and observation has provided a high level of confidence in his Theory, however science doesn’t accept that his theory represents certainty as a explaining the true nature of the universe, rather that it works as a practical, high confident useful Theoretical model (even Newton’s are still used as a practical for some applications), yet many are still exploring the remaining questions for explaining the actual mechanism of Gravity, universal speed limits, the dimensional nature of space, the nature of time and the observations of fundamental quantum mechanics... all which Einstein was continually working to understand even to the point of his death. So, stupid? No, just a different way of looking at reality.

 

Its no big deal, but you WERE discussing ME PERSONALLY with another
poster and in an unfavorable light too.

Your point about the Alerts is a good point. Like I said its no big deal.

Regarding you honor code, I merely asked a question
"Does your moral code of Honesty, Honor, and Integrity have
anything to say about you doing that?"___JAG

I understand your answer is No my moral code of Honesty, Honor,
and Integrity does not have anything to say about that.

Okay.

Are you claiming perfection for your Honor Code?
Do you think it flawless?
/just wondering

Actually this was my first time, and not my second time.

The "first" time was me correctly saying that
when "Honesty" and "Honor" and "Integrity" are
made into a substitute for the God that created you,
then They become, for all practical purposes, your god
and then They become a bad thing and not a good thing.

I will forever stand on that and will repeat it now and then
as long as you chat with me. Why? Because it is the Truth.
Whatever you create as a substitute for God becomes
Evil -- even though the thing itself might be a good thig -- the
fact that you exalt it as a substitute for God makes it a Bad thing.

Why would I keep telling you about that? Because I care about
your soul. And your soul needs to hear the Truth about what
God requires of you according to the Scriptures. It is the Holy
Spirit working through the Truth of the Holy Scriptures that
has the supernatural power to "reach the heart" and convert
the soul -- and its never to late -- where there is life there
is hope of conversion to Faith in the Lord Jesus as your Savior,
but your Honor Code, as a substitute for God, stands in the
way. You need to get rid of it as a substitute for the God that
created you. You know it.

I appreciate that.
You're a gentleman and a scholar.

"suggested"___An Taibhse
Yeah "suggested" is right.
I love true Science.
But just because somebody on the Internet tells me that "this is science"
does NOT mean that it actually IS science.

Best.

JAG

"For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that
Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was
buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the
Scriptures,"___1 Corinthians 15:3-4


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Of course you believe as you do. OK, I wouldn’t expect that I would convince you to accept my word for anything. I wouldn’t expect someone of science to accept my views or my explanative narratives on my word either no would it upset me if they don’t. I often freely share my knowledge and understanding, not as a basis to persuade thinking conformity, but to stimulate other minds. If what I offer resonates some and they expand and capitalize, or identify flaws in my reasoning/approach where I can refine my thinking or my solutions, or counter with entirely new lines of thinking or solutions I profit. I have shared my work in hundreds of live public venues (seminars/presentations) where I invite questions, comments and criticism. When in groups, some as large as 5,000, I rarely stand immobile on a stage in front of an podium is I can engage among those attending, particularly in Q&A portions... I see such venues as opportunities to expand my (and others) thinking in a collaboration process. I did one presentation at a large venue with the topic, ‘All my largest mistakes and failures’; I packed the seats... many later expressed surprise I would expose myself that way, to which my comment was everyone makes mistakes and has failure, to not share them compounds them by sharing them to hopefully prevent others from doing the same. I have often learned more from my failures that my successes. To fail is to try and fear of failure is the enemy of success. I have no problem admitting my inequities, my failures nor when there are things I don’t know. That is how I learn, more important, to me, than having a reputation of being right.
While I admire Einstein, If he proclaimed the scriptures were the source of ‘truth’ and their was a God and began quoting scripture in support of his belief, I’d no more than accept his word as authority any more than yours. I I encountered an entity proclaiming to be the creator, I would want to know how creation was accomplished in detail, a consequence of my curiosity not of requiring proof, but then too, I would ask... ok... and who is your creator? Yes, my name should probably be Thomas.

 

There is no Truth Reality out there that can settle these highly
controversial philosophical arguments in areas that do not
have Empirical Evidences that rise to the certainty-;level of , , ,
P1 All men are mortal
P2 John is a man.
C Therefore John is mortal
So?
So you An Taibhse are a Man Of Faith.
You believe stuff you cannot prove to be true.
That is called exercising Faith.

"of science"__An Taibhse
There is that magic word "science" again.
Remember that line from Ghostbusters?
"Back off man, I'm a scientist."
__________

Let me tell you about the False-god-Science.
And the people bowed and prayed
To the Science-god-they made
________

On their tombstones will be carved. these words
I bowed low to my god Science
But Science never gave me Eternal Life
So here I lay.
And on my Atheism I have the same identical ultimate
destiny-End as does a Bug, which is ceasing-to-exist
Oblivion. Thank you god Science for all you did for me,
which was absolutely nothing that really mattered in
the long term.

The blind leading the blind ~ ~ with regard to what really
matters. which is where you will spend Eternity.
The Lord Jesus regarding His sheep >> "I give unto them
Eternal Life and they shall never perish" John 10:28

"I profit"___An Taibhse
Do you really?
"What shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world and
lose his own soul?"__The Lord Jesus

None of that matters in the long run, does it? I mean
if on your lights you end up ceasing to exist with no hope
of Eternal Life --what long term ultimate difference does
it make, as far as YOU are concerned? None. Why not?

Because on your Secularism you end up, like a Yard Weed,
ceasing to exist. Just think! All that hard intellectual work
will one day very soon make zero difference to YOU
personally. It will be as if you never even existed
as far as YOU are concerned.
"that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have
Eternal Life. John 3:16

Did any of them ask you "Can you help me with my up-coming
Death dilemma where I will die --- I want to live on and not cease
to exist, can YOU help me with this major problem?
Your answer would be No, no help coming from me on that.
Did any of them ask you, "What good is what you're telling us,
if we die and cease to exist."?

Explain how that's gonna help you in the long term
when you are soon laying on your Death Bed {if you
die from natural causes} and your doctor shakes his head
and walks away and you are left alone facing the Grim
Reaper. What good will your "expanded thinking" do
you then?

What long term difference does it make if others do the
same?
Say there was a man in your audience that was age 80
and say that he dies from natural causes at age
90 -- that means that he has a mere 120 months before,
on Secularism, he ceases to exist. But you find it crucial
to share your mistakes so that he will benefit from your
sharing. But you have no message for him to tell him that
he need NOT cease to exist -- that the Lord Jesus has
provided a way for him to live for ever even if he dies.

You really and truly have your values all messed up.
You put all the importance on this short Earthly life
and you give zero importance to what is really important
which is Eternity.

So what?
What good will that do An Taibhse in the long term?
Answer: Zero good. Nothing. 0000000

What success?
There is no success for the man who ceases to exist.
What could be sadder for a man like you who has a very good
mind and who loves life, to cease to exist?
Name one {1} thing good about An Taibhse ceasing to exist.
Just one.
Name it:
{1} ____________

Mere men have no authority.
Christianity is a supernatural Faith that asks you seek the
supernatural help of the God that created you, and ask Him
to help you believe in Him. One man in the New Testament
said to the Lord Jesus, "I do believe, help me in my unbelief."
We all needed help to come to Faith in God. You have to
come to the end of your Self-Sufficiency and ask God to
help you believe. Otherwise you will experience the perish
of John 3:16.
____________

John 3:16
{1{ believe and get Eternal Life
{2} refuse to believe and perish

We all have to come to the end of our Self-sufficiency.
Self-sufficiency is the great Soul-Destroyer.
"Have Faith in God."__The Lord Jesus {Mark 11:22}

Doubting Thomas did not stay Doubting Thomas --- he came
back to Faith in the Lord Jesus --- which is 100% of ALL that
matters long term..
__________

Hope you appreciated my sermon ~ ~ at least I cared enough
about you to bother writing it up.

_________

Best.

JAG

"For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance:
that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that
he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according
to the Scriptures,"___ 1 Corinthians 15:3-4



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Regarding discussion you with another poster, sorry I hurt your feelings.
Regarding the first time you questioned my honor,
It was back in the watchmaker discussion thread....post #433.

Do I claim my moral code or my observing it to be flawless? No, but it’s observance is so deeply ingrained that I would find it difficult to violate even under duress or even when the consequences are personally detrimental; it is part of who I am and is not selectively situational. However, I would admit, there have been a couple memorable times where conflict in my rules has been excruciatingly difficult to resolve in a decision, which required lengthy deliberation to resolve. And, there have been times where I had to learn how my rules would apply in a situation I hadn’t initially realized I was bound. I have been married twice. My first wife understood me, but never the less often would in frustration in some situations utter something like, ‘yeah I know; you and your stupid honor’. That divorce was based on my honor to her...something that would take time to discuss... and was something that was done for her benefit and my loss; we are still close friends after 30 years. My second divorce was largely the result of conflict because I would not yield my honor to my second wife’s manipulations to test my devotion to her by placing her wishes above honor.
While you might believe I hold honor, honesty and integrity as a substitute for God, that is your perspective/opinion, one I reject because it has nothing to the question of a God or Gods; they are values that I use to guide my behavior. Two separate things IMO, values and God... though I know you conflate them.
As for the word ‘suggested’ as related to science. I usually prefer talking in terms of being ‘consistent’ with a framework of understanding... certainly, I don’t apply the word proof.
For instance, that all life is carbon based and passes the blue print of a specific specie to offspring is consistent with the hypothesis that all life shares a common ancestor. Doest that prove the hypothesis? No, but I’d place a high level of provisional confidence on it.
The word science is one of those with many meanings. To some, it is the current cumulative body of provisional knowledge that has resulted from applying the scientific method to build a framework of highly corroborative knowledge framework. It is provisional, because it is subject to challenge by others that test certain particulars of knowledge by continuing to test them using the scientific method to refine and extend understanding; it is provisional because knowledge subject to change by new evidence, improvements in methods and means. However, many use the term to mean certain knowledge is sacrosanct because it is experimentally confirmed, with the scientific method, yet without understanding that what is known isn’t absolute but subject to multiple levels of confidence. What makes science the best, thus far, means for developing knowledge is that it isn’t dependent upon revelation, authority or doctrine, but by the ability for anyone to challenge or test knowledge by applying the scientific method... in that the accumulation of knowledge and understanding is democratized, increases in level of confidence when it is shown to be objective independent of any agent of authority by withstanding continual challenge. In the evolution of ideas/knowledge what survives does so by the selection process of challenge by employing the scientific method itself. Einstein’s theories have withstood over a century of challenge and still stand against every challenge. However, as much as the confidence levels have been increased, I know of no scientist that believe there isn’t a possibility that there is more to his model we have yet to sort. Questions persist and that is ok.
And, yes there is good science and pseudoscience, the latter being passed off for various motives unrelated to the veracity of the method employed. Pseudoscience it is often accepted by some because they haven’t been trained in applying the scientific method or in the default mindset required... skepticism as the default mode of thinking. One of the favored approaches shared by both religious thinkers and those pushing pseudoscience is to suggest ‘science’ can’t explain.... therefore it can be concluded. For instance science can’t explain how certain things were done by ancient Egyptions, therefore, there must have been in existence an ancient advanced civilization that accomplished those thing (often implying extraterrestrial visitation as the explanation). One of my favorite are the internet examples depicting massive megalithic structures, making the case many of the huge monolithic stones couldn’t possible be moved by ancient people’s with the technology available... so, extraterrestrial help, levitation, lost secret knowledge....
Then someone comes along and...
[video][/video]

Those engaging In scientific inquiry admit there are unknowns, that is why they are involved in scientific inquiry to begin with. But, absence of a plausible satisfactory and tested answer can not logically be used as evidence of anything. As for applying that to the Question of a God, I don’t rule it out and if we encounter God with science, I am ok with that. Then there are the new questions that would result. Hmmm... I even leave open the possibility we are a simulation in a game being played by female adolescent advanced aliens with their analog of an ant farm and the equivalent of using a magnifying glass to periodically focus mischief on us. What happens when alien mom calls the kids for dinner?

BTW, regarding the existence of a soul, I am as agnostic of that as I am of a God. I have a number of possible narratives how a belief in the soul cam about and has persisted, but that would be a subject for fiction on my part. So, your sense of concern and duty regarding my soul is tilting at windmills in a land I don’t inhabit.

The repeated narrative that Jesus died for our sins might be the doctrine of Christianity, but aside from the question of a God creator, it is a narrative I find improbable and non-sensical. Aside from other aspects of the narrative I find illogical, some things can be conveyed in humor.

So, your including that bit of preaching in responses is of relevance only to you, again... tilting at windmills.

 

I am not going to address your entire sermon. I don’t concern myself with what happens to me when I die. What happens, happens. I don’t harbor that fear, nor am I concerned of the value of what I have learned to for myself or others beyond my life. I came, lived, I saw, I experienced... I played the game. I am good with that whenever the inevitable happens.
As for believing in what I cannot prove. That isn’t how I operate. While I operate based on the provisional level of confidence placed on certain aspects of my accumulated practical knowledge, I harbor no certainty of belief in anything. I once believed in Santa Claus until at 5, my curiosity led me to discover I didn’t know what I thought I did... learning doesn’t always have subjectively good endings.
As for being on my death bed, pondering... as I have posted previously... been there; didn’t change my approach to life or my methods for learning. It was interesting though.
You mention several ways of losing a soul, including that Self-sufficiency is the great Soul-Destroyer. Well, again a question of the soul... not a concern to me. And less of a concern is to adopt the belief paradigms of others or the judgement of others regarding my beliefs.
Your statement,

Is rather an egocentric opinion and I’d refer you to Matthew 7:1.

As for questions of eternity, presumably there as an opportunity for more my consciousness at birth, and considering I passed without my conscious awareness, I am prepared for the same on death.
I think it impossible, but don’t know for fact, for someone having involuntary conscious awareness to actually conceive of the absence of consciousness and of self awareness. The mere thought of it is to engage in conscious thought and self awareness... perhaps the source of fear of dying, of the need for believing the self, the soul persists? It will be interesting to see what develops in an AI... assuming one can achieve true consciousness and self awareness. Seeing Sophia the robot’s fielding of such questions on YouTube is interesting.
As for reassuring someone about to pass with thoughts of the beyond, I have been there when someone has passed more than once. I didn’t engage in doing that nor if situation is reversed want it from someone else. I was there though, any words shared would only have served me.
As for supernatural help, I, as mentioned previously, spent time with a Guahibo Shamman in the Amazon who provided interpretation of and trained folks on understanding/interacting with the supernatural. He would have found your values and beliefs truly messed up. Funny how subjective the ‘Truth’ can be eh?
Science isn’t a false God. It is a method for accumulating objective knowledge when practiced with discipline. How knowledge is somehow at odds with a belief in God is the product illogical reasoning IMO and assuming the proposition a God existing that bestowed humans with a reasoning faculty, would seem at conflict with the design. Else, humans would be like sheep, herded blindly by a Shepherd... hmmm why preachers refer to their followers as ‘their flock’?

 

, , ,LOL , ,
That's funny.
This is the Internet.
Thee is nothing you can say that will hurt my feelings.
However if you really meant it when you said "sorry i hurt
your feelings" then I do appreciate the apology --- it was
however not necessary.

False.
Each and every time you say that, I will correct you on it.
I did not "question" , , , your Honor. And you know that
I did not do that. I have explained to you several times about
substituting Honesty, Honor, and Integrity for faith in God.
That is not questioning your Honor. You know it.

You do not believe in God.
You do believe in your Honesty, Honor, and Integrity.
You do substitute Them for God.
That is what I believe and not only as it applies to you
but as it applies to me and everybody else.
Just as I believe there is no such thing as an atheist
based on Romans 1:18-20 and Psalm 19:1-4 et al.
The Bible teaches that whatever we put in place of God
has become our idol. This is a Christian belief and has nothing
to do with you personally -- by which I mean I am not applying
the Christian principle only to you -- it applies to all of humanity.
So don't take it personal.

Your repeated narrative about your secularism I find improbable
and non-sensical, but I put up with it --- and you can also put up
with my themes.
And your "cartoon" type "arguments" and cartoon "points" are
not impressive.

And all that is true for your secularism.
And you ought to appreciate my preaching --- you constantly
preach your Religion Of Secular Humanism -- so you know all
about preaching -- plus you are a Great Man Of Faith to be
sure.

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"And we know that in all things God works for the good
of those who love him, who have been called according
to his purpose."___Romans 8:28

Best.

JAG

More later , , ,


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We need to settle this right now and not bring this up again.
I do not question your Honesty, your Honor, and your Integrity.
I have zero reasons to disbelieve that you are a man of
Honesty, Honor, and Integrity.
_________

Regarding your Honesty, your Honor, and your Integrity:
I have only one point to make about Those Three.
And here it is again.

You do not believe in God.
You do believe in your Honesty, Honor, and Integrity.
You do substitute Those Three for God.
That is what I believe and not only as it applies to you
but as it applies to me and everybody else.
Just as I believe there is no such thing as an atheist
based on , ,
Romans 1:19-20
Romans 2:15
Romans 1:18
Psalm 19:1-4
Ecclesiastes 3:11

The Bible teaches that whatever we put in place of God has
become a bad thing. This is a Christian belief and has nothing
to do with you personally -- by which I mean I am not applying
the Christian principle only to you -- it applies to me also and to
all of humanity. So don't take it personal.

I hope this issue is now settled and that you will not bring it up
again. You have zero reasons to ever mention it again bring
it up again because I tell you again that , ,

I do not question your Honesty, your Honor, and your Integrity.
I have zero reasons to disbelieve that you are a man of
Honesty, Honor, and Integrity.

Best Regards.

JAG

___________

A Pleasant Thought For Today:

“PIPPIN: I didn't think it would end this way.

GANDALF: End? No, the journey doesn't end here.
Death is just another path, one that we all must take.
The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all
turns to silver glass, and then you see it.

PIPPIN: What? Gandalf? See what?

GANDALF: White shores, and beyond,
a far green country under a swift sunrise.

PIPPIN: Well, that isn't so bad.

GANDALF: No. No, it isn't.”

 

Did you just say you believe his honesty, honour and integrity are bad things?

 

Regarding so-called "science" that eliminates from their inquiry
the God that created them, this verse comes to mind:

"always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the
truth" 2 Timothy 3:7

The False-god-Science will always disappoint you in the
long term.

"Hmmm... I even leave open the possibility we are a simulation
in a game being played by female adolescent advanced aliens , , ,"
___An Taibhse , , ,
It takes far more Faith to believe that is a possibility than it takes
to believe that God loves you and wants you to open the door of
your heart and invite Him to come in. {Revelation 3:20}

That's not right. Your soul is not imaginary --- its as real as it gets.

. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet
forfeit their soul?" See Matthew 16:25-26

Your "humor" is a smoke-screen to hide rude, discourteous
mockery of one of Christianity's most sacred beliefs. I am
surprised that a man of your intellectual abilities would
make his points using such cheap cartoon tactics ---
that kind of amateurish mockery of Christianity's most
sacred beliefs is part of how I built my Ignore List.

You do not know that.
You do not know who reads these threads and finds some of
what I post to be relevant to them. I post a significant number of
Biblical truths and some Christians may be reading these
threads and may find some of those truths encouraging.

And some is enough. Even if just 1 person gets just a
tiny bit of encouragement from the Biblical truths I post,
then that is enough for me.

Then one more point: It is the supernatural power of the Holy
Spirit that uses Biblical truths to supernaturally regenerate
the dead spiritual human nature -- and every once in awhile
an "atheist" is supernaturally brought to the place in his life
where he does actually come to trust the Lord Jesus as his
Savior.

And the Lord Jesus is a magnificent Savior , , ,

You ever read that New Testament passage down below?
One day you and me and all humans will bow our proud
knee to the Lord Jesus.

You will bow the knee to Him at least in the sense that you
will be completely and absolutely overwhelmed at His
magnificence and splendor when you meet Him at The
Judgment.

" , , Christ Jesus:
Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God
something to be used to his own
advantage; rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death —
even death on a cross!

Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee
should bow, in heaven and on earth
and under the earth, and every tongue
acknowledge that Jesus Christ is
Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
___Philippians chapter 2


Best.

JAG

 

As do you.
However , , ,
You never got around to giving me your answer
to this:

JAG Asks:
What could be sadder for a man like you who has a very good
mind and who loves life, to cease to exist?
Name one {1} thing good about An Taibhse ceasing to exist.
Just one.
Name it:
{1} ____________


JAG

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Its very sad, but try putting your big boy pants on and accepting the fact that we do not know what happens to us when we die, the chances are nothing, we just cease to exist. Trying to sale your snake oil to someone wont help and no matter how much you preach, you know in your heart that you do not know what will happen to you and it scares the Jesus out of you!

 

There is one word in there that trips you up, ironically by your not stumbling over it. That word is, "probability." What was the probability, when he was born, that Donald Trump would become President of the United States? Exceedingly small, and yet... Even so, his chances, because of the wealthy family he was born into, were significantly better than some others who've laid claim to that office.

If one examines history, one cannot help but see quite a few amazing coincidences which had profound effects. I know, for some, this can be cited as validation of a Divine, guiding hand. And perhaps there is. Or, perhaps, there are guiding influences which are not divine. Or, maybe this is proof that strange coincidences occur. Who knows, perhaps all those things are true.

In fact, since we are still in the dark about fundamental principles governing our universe, it is overly-presumptuous to be giving odds on the liklihood of such things occuring, being unable to consider the very nature of the universe about which we are prognosticating.

If I may just conclude this post w/ my own, initial exposure to the, "million monkey," concept; it was a high school friend who broke it down in a simplified form. He told me that some scientists say that if you put a chimpanzee at a typewriter & he-- there's frequently been a gender bias in science-- and if he were to hypothetically hit keys randomly, non-stop then, at some point w/in a million years he or she would reproduce a perfect copy of War and Peace. But that's not the same as saying that it would be likely to happen at that particular point. Only at some point.Since we cannot predict what keys will be struck, & in what random order, it's demonstrably impossible to say when, within that million-year framework, the chimp would execute its inadvertent feat. "But wouldn't it be freaky," concluded my friend, " if he did it on the very first day?"

(And, however small the probability, there would be a possibility of that occuring.)

 

Thank you for your comments. I read every word of what you wrote.

If you don't mind telling me, what is your opinion of this below?

JAG Writes:
Some Evolutionists have said that "If it is possible, given enough tries, it is inevitable."
My view is the absurd is NOT possible and that if you believe the following
then you believe the absurd and nonsensical.

The subject here is Dice thrown into the air , , , ,

Some Evolutionists say that if you throw any number of Dice into the air
"enough times, then at some point all the Dice will come up 6's -- they
say it does NOT matter HOW MANY Dice you throw into the air , , ,

My view is this claim is absurd nonsense and here is WHY I say that , , ,

You have to produce absolute Empirical proof that , ,,
999,999,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999, trillion
to the power of
999,999,999,999, 999, 999,999,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,, 999.999.999.999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999, trillion Dice
if thrown in the air, enough times, will inevitably, all come up all 6's
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Then add this , , ,
For all you know for a fact, it might take 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,999,999,999,999,999,999, trillion times MORE than that up there , ,
to equal the complexity of the total Earth and every single thing on the Earth.
You simply can NOT , , KNOW , , what the actual level of complexity is.
And if you say you DO know, then you are speaking as a Man Of Faith.

"If it is possible, then given enough tries, it is inevitable" is
a Faith Belief. And it does not matter how high the numbers go
on the "Enough Tries Principle" ALL the dice at some point MUST
come up all 6's And THAT is absurd. It is absurd to believe that is
even a remote possibility. I am not going to believe the absurd in
the name of Logic.

"If it is possible, then given enough tries, it is inevitable, but the absurd is not possible."___JAG

JAG

PS
It takes much MORE Faith to believe that up there, than it takes to believe
"That God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son that whoever
believes in Him shall not perish but have Eternal Life."

"Have Faith in God."___The Lord Jesus {Mark 11:22}



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