Trump Campaign Will Be Suing & Suing & Suing, Starting With Michigan

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  1. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    You have a better view of the ballot count from this NBC News camera's view than the observers kept beyond the barriers.
    Can you see any mailing envelopes? Can you see any signatures? Can you see any ballots?

     
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    That is so obviously not true.

    The tactics are to just keep on telling lies and move on. Make an allegation and when its disproved, make another. At one stage this was going to be a big fraud by foreign governments (Trump) then it was going to be kids on bikes stealing and changing ballots, then its dead people that are later proved to be alive. The thing is that Trump wants to have thousands of votes disqualified merely because they took his lead away. That's what the moron said. He won it. And then they counted the absentee ballots. At the end of the day this will go to the courts and they will decide that you are talking drivel. That will be conservative judges ruling against you. The lies that were told about vote rigging will be forgotten and new lies will be produced. This is a political movement consciously based on one group of amoral right wing extremists lying to millions of gullible morons. It has diminished the USA to a laughing stock status. It has weakened democracy everywhere and emboldened tyrants. Which I'm sure is fine with Trump who much preferred tyrant and communists to democratically elected allies. The era of US leadership is over. The dominance of the US economy will now slip. It's a disaster which has damaged the free word so much that Biden will not be able to fix it. Because it rests on the gullibility an tolerance for racism and bigotry of 45% of Americans. That is Trump's legacy - not showing that he's a moron, but that a large minority of Americans are massive fans of stupidity and hatred.
     
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    The Democratic Party has historically been a very antidemocratic organization.
    Ordinary well meaning Democrats just don't get it, but their party bosses do.

    The election was rigged. It was not subtle, and the whole world is watching this shameful display of political corruption in action. The world is very aware of how election rigging works.
    The DP party bosses are fooling no one. They have been caught red handed.
     
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    What you call "the Biden Coup" is at least only the fact that Trump has lost regularly...
    Mail Voting is total normal in democracies ... and particularly in times of Corona! But because Trump knows that many more people will vote then by using mail voting and that these are more votes against him ... AND because we all know what a fool and denier of Corona danger Trump is, he comes with this total lie and bullshit against mail votes!

    as I still told and explained in detail now many times, it is all legally and doneby the rules of Republicans and every vote was checked and counted by 2 persons, 1 x democrat and 1 x republican. And these 30 feet distance are total normal, because an observer has to take distance to the ballot papers, otherwise he in suspicion to make voter fraud ... also in every democracy total normal.

    Result: Trump is a looser, a fool, a liar and is doing now voter fraud with his lawsuites!
     
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    Still Nazi Propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels told once "Tell a lie only often enough and it will transform into truth and being believed as true"!
    Donald Trump is following this advise very close ...
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The fraud was unbelievable, and it didn't affect just Trump. According to Trump's attorney Powell, It affected many of the candidates such as Michigan's Senate hopeful John James and Georgia Rep. Doug Collins.

    “We have identified at least 450,000 ballots in the key states that miraculously only have a mark for Joe Biden on them and no other candidate,”

    There is also the Dominion Voting Systems software and hardware used in 28 states, including Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada, Georgia and Arizona, that was found to flip votes to Biden. One witness said that someone came in and installed some hardware in the machine the day before - something that was never done before. Powell also said:

    “...There were many people affected by this. We have got to fight tooth and nail in federal court to expose this abject fraud and the conspiracy behind it. Recounts and audits are needed in frankly most of the country..."
     
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    I think you have two kinds of Christians in the US. The ones who do their best to give to others and work against oppression and for rights for those who do not have them and those who come from the ones who went off to Africa to try and get them to give the Death Penalty for being gay and who want the US to be a theocracy. This kind are Trump's supporters. Some of them are puzzeling why their prophecys have not, as yet, come true.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...ection-result-wrong/ar-BB1aPFkq?ocid=msedgntp
     
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    DP, The Party That Counts Every Fake Ballot!
    Yeah! ;-)
     
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    Certain percentage of ballots should be checked for validity.
    Mail vote at that large scale is a new thing, it has never been tested
    I am sure many of the ballots were invalid.
    We don't have to call it fraud or rigged election, we just need to verify the ballots.
    Don't you care about democracy and general sense of sanity?
     
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    Utah has been doing 100% mail in voting since 2013.

    Most of the feelings of irregularity are related to the way the REPUBLICAN legislatures set up their counting laws.

    There are no issues, just wishful thinkers.
     
  11. Jeannette

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    I think the problems in our country are just starting. The fraud in the election is just too much to be ignored by the courts, and they are the deciding factor. The deciding factor should not be the medias that are owned by corporations and certain families.

    What the medias are doing is destroying the sovereignty of our nation. Not that we don't deserve it since we've been doing it all over the world - but that's neither here nor there. What the medias did manage to do though was to play their hand in such a way, that I fear if the tables are turned and Trump is declared president, we will find ourselves in a civil war.


    As for Christians, it depends on one's spiritual maturity. On a whole I have found the Evangelicals to be the loveliest and kindest people one can meet. If they're following someone like Copeland though who preaches 'prosperity', and is worth almost a billion, then I would consider them Mammon worshippers, and definitely not Christians.

    Anyway I find two evils in the US today. One is the sexual immorality that we are spreading and imposing on the world, and the other is our arrogance and belief that somehow we are great and above' others because of our buying and military power.

    Yes we are great, but it's because of our Constitution and that was given to us by our Founding Fathers who were all graduates of Christian Seminaries and highly enlightened, as well as by the richness of the land. Both were gifts of God, and yet He is being discarded by so many. Those gifts though were not given to benefit only the refuge who came here, but the whole world as well.

    At one time they were recognized as gifts, and this is why Christians had established schools, hospitals and orphanages all over the third world, but not today. Today we rape nations to serve ourselves, and we will suffer for it. I fear for my country.
     
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    The 'fraud' is a boring game which Trump was telling people he would be playing before the election.

    Your Christianity changed around the time Carter was in power and did something about equality in Education and also said the unacceptable that the US now had to think of Palestinian rights. Then your extremist Christians got going. They took over semenaries and starterd teaching their brand of Christianity which does not have a good past. They encouraged Christians to become political and vote. They have permeated your institutions, your courts, have their own Universities and are in your current Government. They want a Theocratic State.

    There remains progressive Christians, the kind that worked for the end of Apartheid. One of them believes they will be the first people the extreme right 'fascists' will come for.

    CHRIS HEDGES ON ELECTIONS, “CHRISTIAN FASCISTS,” AND THE ROT WITHIN THE AMERICAN SYSTEM
     
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    Of course the people decide, but it's not the job of the media to tell us what the people decided. That's the States job - and that's something they can't do because of the massive fraud perpetuated by the Democrats. Now it's up to the courts to decide.

    Trump did say before the election that it will end up at the Supreme Court. Obviously he knew about the fraud beforehand, and the media to offset the decisions by the courts, began their blitz about Biden being the winner - even getting some foreign leaders who are part of the new world order/government, to congratulate Biden. Someone said the show domestically and internationally was to intimidate the judges.

    It kind of reminds me of our regime change coups in other countries, where we knocked out the legitimately elected presidents.
     
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    Trump is trying to delay the final confirmation of election results in order to force a House vote. If neither candidate gets to 270 electors due to disputed ballots, the House would have to decide the election. Such an outcome would almost certainly benefit Trump because House delegations from each state meet to decide how to cast their single vote.

    Under the Constitution's 12th Amendment, the House would select the next president and the Senate would pick the vice president if no candidate has a majority of Electoral College votes. By law, states have until Dec. 8 to certify their results or have the state legislature appoint electors to the Electoral College, which is set to convene on Dec. 14. Congress is set to formally count electors' votes and declare a winner on Jan. 6.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house-decide-president/story?id=73640149
     
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    You're bleating about something that has been going on forever.

    The media always projects a winner. To date, they've been wrong, once.

    I'll bet you weren't screaming "TRUMP HASN'T WON YET! THE MEDIA DOESN'T DECIDE!" four years ago, were you?
     
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    And your evidence is? One witness said? Where are those 450,000 ballots papers. What is that 'some hardware. How much is Powell going to make in taking these cases to court for Trump. And who is going to pay? Not Trump - the billionaire. His followers.

    You're being fooled left, right and centre. Just because you can't a decision of the majority of the US.
    The megolomaniac has been defeat. Long live democracy
     
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    There was massive fraud by the Democrats 4 years ago as well, but Trump won so the Republicans didn't pursue it. If they had, we wouldn't be going through this farce today.

    Anyway the election hasn't ended, so it's still a little too early to call a winner.
     
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    Still, we have to verify the claim, I think it is possible to examine the ballots one more time.
    Sure, mail vote was available for a while, but that was not an issue until this election.
    We all saw statistical anomalies in the ballot reporting, we have to find an explanation why this has happened.
     
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    Yes, Jeannette - the president has to raise money to pay off his election debts, so he's raising money for "potential legal bills," AND election debts.

    Enjoy the process. I am.

    Which battles did he win in court today?
     
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    Trump and all his supporters, for months: Don't vote by mail!!! Don't vote by mail!!! Don't vote by mail!!! Don't vote by mail!!!
    Democrats, for months: Vote by mail!!! Vote by mail!!! Vote by mail!!! Vote by mail!!! Vote by mail!!! Vote by mail!!! Vote by mail!!! Vote by mail!!!

    Trump and all his supporters, since Saturday! How is it possible that Biden got so many more mail in votes. Something is fishy and needs to be looked into.

    LMAO.

    Enjoy your process. We'll be here when you figure it out.
     
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    Trump's followers are not the billionaires. Bill Gates and the other high tech billionaires as well as those in the pharmaceutical industries, the Hollywood big wigs and globalist ideologues like George Soros, supported Biden in this election the same way they supported Clinton in the last one.

    Trump was supported by the police, and the workers in Pennsylvania, Ohio and other Mid Western states who were fed up over their jobs going to China and their business' being destroyed in Democrat cities. Wherever Trump went, the crowds were in the thousands - and he flew to about 5 rally's a day. So regardless of what you think of him, the man's a dynamo.

    Biden did what Clinton did before him, and only attended small groups consisting of the big donors - with the idea that it's the money that wins elections. I noticed the way the cameras would show thousands during a Trump rally, while at a Biden one, the camera only focused on him.

    As for the money needed to go to court, many of the lawyers are dedicated individuals, and Lindsey Graham alone donated a half million to the court cases. You know it's not just Trump, there are other Republican Senators and Representatives that lost because of the fraud.

    Anyway it's too soon to talk, so I'm really just speculating. The election as yet isn't over so we really don't know who the winner is.
     
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    And the next bullcrap of "Tweet Peep" from Donald Trump...

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    FACT CHECK:
    The FDA ... that is the government agency which approves new drugs ... is headed by Stephen Hahn AND THE REPUBLICAN DONALD TRUMP PERSONALLY APPOINTED STEPEN HAHN AS HEAD OF THE FDA!!!

    But of course the Democrats are here guilty too as usual, as they are guilty for all and everything ... even if the chief of the FDA is not one of them!

    But the REAL SAD THING is ... how many jerks within the Trump followers blieve or believed again this Fake News Statement of Donald Trump again, EH????
     
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    Really?
    If every idiot just claims something and you have to investigate it first, then it will be funny in the USA in general! ;-)

    FACT CHECK:
    Pennsylvania is known to be ruled by the Republicans and the election rules were therefore made by the Republicans in Pennsylvania ... so also:
    - 2 people (1 x Democrat and 1 x Republican) check and count the ballot papers
    - Election observers have to keep a distance of 30 feet from the ballot papers ... and it has NEVER been the job of election observers to check ballot papers as it is claimed now suddenly!
    - Mail votes are only counted once the votes cast personally on the election day have been counted.

    So we're talking about regulations that the Republicans themselves made ... but now it's all evil, according to Donbald Trump, and it's all a democratic conspiracy!?
    *******n it ... how stupid have people to be to believe these allegations and idiotic claims?

    FACT CHECK 2:
    While Donald Trump in Washington is spitting poison and bile in anger and calling for the counts to be stopped immediately ... his supporters in Arizona are demanding exactly the opposite!
    And how hypocritical Donald Trump is, of course he suddenly no longer mentions Arizona by name with his demands! Suddenly the mail votes didn't matter in Arizona ... because one hoped that they would bring the majority for Donald Trump!
    Didn't work and when that was clear ... yes then Trump starts again with the baseless, unproven and ridiculous allegations and claims!

    You have to be really stupid and blind not to recognize this dirty game by Trump!
    What if he'd won in Arizona, eh? Then everything would be OK and mail votes are of course OK ... sure! O dear ... bright hypocrisy and lies!
     
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    exactly what I was thinking. After Kaleigh stood up it was obvious. These people are Neo-Nazis trying to preserve the self-conceived "supremacy" of their cultural line. They don't give a damn about Americans, they simply want to run America. They need to be tagged and monitored for the rest of their lives.
     
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    No-one said Trump supporters were billionaires, What I said is that it will be those supporters who can afford it less that the billionaires.

    Businesses being destroyed because the US cannot compete with the Chinese. And if businesses were being destroyed how is it that unemployment in the US is so low. Incidentally, it was low in the UK and other industrial nations, not just the US. Unemployment rates have been falling in the US and the EU since around 2014.

    Above BOLD, That's simply not true. While Trump drew large crowds and spread Covid, Biden did the sensible thing and acknowledged the severity of the virus on the US population and allowed social partition among those attending. Trump didn't/doesn't care how many die as long as he remained President.

    His whole history is one that does no credit, either to himself or the people who want him as President. 11 - at least - business failures - often leaving partners to take the blame financially. The US has the iniquitous situation of allowing people to 'buy' their way out of criminal etc behaviour to avoid a conviction against them. Something Trump has done often. He and his father were/are racists, but escaped by changing policies in the last century. Accusations against him of a sexual nature go back 30 years. At least one paid off, and who knows how many others. ,

    Trump has withdrawn the US from many things and wonders why the Chinese are taking over. Instead of looking outward, he looks inward. The Chinese look the other way. They now have a foothold in every continent by investing time and money. Hopefully Biden will address some of these problems, though I fear the whole world will take a long time to recover from the Civid and effects of world trade and debts.

    The World is laughing at the US. Dictators are using the US as an example for retaining their power.
     
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