Trump administration has executed more Americans than all states combined, report finds

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Short drop can be gruesome, as it often beheads the executed.

    While being against it I favor the guillotine. Cutting the brain stem is the quickest and surest method of death known. Snipers are advised to use it in close hold hostage situations since when the brain step is cut the cessation of reflex is so quick that not even the so-called "death grip" will work. (Although my understanding is that it doesn't anyway most of the time. It's largely a myth)
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I believe them a lot more than I do Trump. Trump gaslights, he lies right in your face and then says you're crazy if you notice. This works very well with most conservatives. They start off not caring since Trump hates the right people. but then they start deluding themselves out of habit.
     
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    You are like a fountain of great ideas, aren't ya?
     
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    The States are not doing their duty!


    The cruel & unusual part seems to be the condemned waiting
    so long for their sentence to be carried out.






    Moi :oldman:




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    Yay and the taxpayers should pay their keep.

    Good for Trump!
     
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    I stand and offer wild applause.
    Well done, Mr President.

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    Many take a position of caring for people and run the moment effort on their part is required.
     
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    LOL, so you only listen to the lying media. Got it.
     
  9. Pro_Line_FL

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    Caring.......required......?

    You are not making a whole lot of sense. How the heck do you figure it is required for regular people to 'adopt' murderers?

    And its not about 'caring'. The Federal government doesn't have to be involved in such things, which is why these kinds of executions were once ruled unconstitutional (government overreach).
     
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    I could say just about anything. :razz:

    In my opinion at least 90% of federal criminal laws should be repealed and such matters left to the states. Originally there were virtually no federal crimes other than related to treason and currency.
     
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    Finally someone who gets it.

    Let the States handle such issues.
     
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    If they are not executed, they have to be cared for. Did Trump put in a fast lane or is this just a coincidence?
     
  13. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I listen to ALL the media, I listen to the BBC. I even actually READ the AP and Reuters and the WSJ and the Economist and Nature

    You might try it. Don't you get tired of Rush and Tucker and vapid glamour girls? You can check out magazines and even newspapers from the library if you order

    I know, it doesn't matter. They're ALL in on it. Only a gangster, a failed sportscaster, and a network of proven LIARS have somehow escaped the mind control rays of the Lizard Men and along with the Conservative Blogosphere can give you the TRUTH

    Jeebus, hating the right people can get you a LOT nowadays.
     
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    Definitely. Dictators and incipient dictators often get sexual pleasure from killing or ordering killing. [/quote] Hmm you believe Dictators are sadists. I am not sure that generalisation is true.

    I suspect not when things are going well. Fear, yes they need the people to fear them but terror and the reasons for terror I think could be countrer productive.
    Machiavelli believed Leaders should get the people to fear them but not hate them. If they hate you, sooner or later despite any terrorising you do they will rise up and get their own back.
     
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    I strongly believe we have no right to kill another human being except in immidiate need for self defence. I see executions as state sanctioned murder and not morally better than the person who presumably murdered someone before. The US is the only developed country which still kills people.
     
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    The death warrants in these cases are issued by the admin officials, and it is up to them to either issue them, or not issue them. Only 3 total death warrants have been issued in the past 20 years, and now Trump hands them out like candy.
     
  18. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Hmm you believe Dictators are sadists. I am not sure that generalization is true.



    I suspect not when things are going well. Fear, yes they need the people to fear them but terror and the reasons for the terror I think could be counterproductive.
    Machiavelli believed Leaders should get the people to fear them but not hate them. If they hate you, sooner or later despite any terrorizing you do they will rise and get their own back.[/QUOTE]

    "If you want the love of the common people, that is simple, Do not oppress them." Never forget that Machiavelli was talking to Princes and other Princes were the ones he thought should fear his Prince. Commoners should turn out and cheer their ruler and not just because they would likely die if they didn't or even because he threw gold coins at them. They were the main soldiers in his Army, after all, they should love him if they were to die for him.

    Actually few dictators are overt sadists, but I still maintain they have little hesitation about killing people or using their ability to do so to increase their power. Look at Putin (Trump certainly did)
     
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    Voters wanted a bigger, more powerful government. You can't give them power and then complain when they use it. I would go the other direction.
     
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    So they would appear to be psychopaths. Narcissists have the same inability to feel empathy as psychopaths. Possibly now in order to even get into the power they want, they need the approval of sufficient number of the people. That is the strange thing that they can sometimes get it and have been able to for a long time. That is where I think they also work as machiavelli was talking about within his time. They do need to get support from the people - or certainly from the army and police.
     
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    Bread and water is cheap
     
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    Republicans chose Trump because they wanted a bigger and more powerful government.......?

    Ok, I believe it. They don't want to admit it, but clearly that was what they wanted, and received.

    Maybe one day conservatives win elections.
     
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    ^ Sorry, took too long to write after accidentally posting the quote.

    The FBI was created in 1908 and grew during prohibition, starting in 1920. When prohibition ended how could they justify their jobs? They needed federal criminal laws, particularly booming in size with the first real gun control laws. Shotgun 1/2 too short? 5 years in a federal prison. Crap like that. And then just kept adding more and more and more federal crimes endlessly.

    Local and state matters should be handled by local police. One terrible example was the Pulse nightclub shooting of over 100 people. Quickly the local police had the shooter trapped in a bathroom, with many wounded bleeding out and on their cell phones begging to be rescued. But then the FBI showed up and ordered the local police out. They wanted to use a phone negotiator and wanted to take him alive. Didn't give a damn about the wounded and just let them die over nearly 3 hours.

    In fact, the FBI has NO authority to order local and state police to do or not do anything - and have no more authority to arrest local and state police for interfering with them, as local and state police have authority to arrest FBI officers for interference.

    Our company has tangled with FBI agents although never over any allegations of illegalities by our company. Rather they wanted access to our computers to search our customers and email records. The first time they showed up wanting in, flashing their badges and with an "administrative search warrant" for our computers - promising they won't take them and will do their search here. They didn't even get in the door. An administrative search warrant is nothing but something made to LOOK like a search warrant with BIG bold lettering on top saying "Administrative Search Warrant" - signed by an FBI assistant deputy director or such as that. It has zero legal value, a bluff but one that nearly always works. Only a judge can issue REAL search warrants.

    When they said they could go get a real search warrant and oh boy would I be in trouble? My response - outside the building was "you're not getting in and grabbing our computers would do nothing as they are military grade old Motorola computers with encryption that pre-dates it required such software have a backdoor key you can obtain by a subpoena - plus you won't just have to get your search warrant, you'll have to get the DHS to agree to it as this is a secured facility under DHS jurisdiction. Instead, why don't you just tell me what you want and why - and I'll probably just get it for you if we have it." Finally they accepted they had no bluffs left so told me what they wanted, no problem, and it arranged to meet at a neutral location to give it to them the next day (restaurant parking lot).

    On another occasion my wife, a part owner, was more blunt. "NO! You can not come in the facility. You can not access our computers. What you are going to do is get off the property now or I'll have you arrested for trespassing" and called the sheriff's department. While they tried to bluff, threaten, bully and cajole her into yielding, deputies did show up and explained if they didn't leave right away they would first ticket them - and if still there then arrest them. They left. It was worked out over the phone. They got what they were after - but never into facility and never near any of the computers.

    I'm not anti-police. But the FBI nearly always leads by trying to psych people down with their big ID and badge as a "special agent" (they all are "special") and then getting pushy if the response isn't immediately "yes sir! Whatever you want!" One of those FBI guys told us we were the most uncooperative business he'd ever dealt with. We took it as a compliment. The DHS took it as a job well done as what we both did was perfect. Maybe one of those FBI guys is a Russian double agent or ISIS. Regardless, a mere "special agent" didn't have the necessary security clearance. (The FBI and DHS are jurisdictional rivals.)

    Again, local and state police should handle nearly all local and state criminal matters regardless of how serious. Eliminate nearly all federal criminal laws.
     
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    Which ones?? The Sadistic/ destructive Trump regime. ? Trump does not have the guts to put a person to death but has no problem having it done under "legal" basis. Or passively ignoring the pandemic , trying to focus on the economy letting over 300,000 people die in horrible virus related deaths. in keeping wit his overt sadism, he LOVES firing staff. He takes sadistic pleasure in that kind of conduct. Everyone can see that.......or should be able to see it as he does not hide it..... which is psychopathic.

    These executions have not even made it to the news .......Hmmm.
     
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    If you are a total loser and I say that you're better than anyone else and offer to give you power over everyone if you just agree with me and beat on whoever I tell you to a lot of people will begin to view you favorably
     
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