Trump administration has executed more Americans than all states combined, report finds

They promise smaller government until they get a hold of the check book.

 

Trump was smart enough to know that if he started killing people in his first term he'd likely never get a second. It's really scary to me that he got any votes at all this time let alone nearly winning. Aren't people aware of what he's trying to do? Or are there really that many people who LIKE a tyrant, just so long as they think he's not after THEM.

 

A common conservative excuse once everyone realizes they have foisted an oppressive tyrant on us, and usually total bs. Conservative candidates make no secret of the fact that they intend to put more and meaner cops into our bedrooms and other places most people don't really want them

 

I'd rather be executed.

You now, more people are killed during a bad weekend in Chicago.

 

Long drops sometimes behead the executed. Short drops cause death by strangulation. Several of the Nazi war criminals hanged at Nuremberg took twenty minutes to die.

 

Tdeath penalty is one of my key issues. If killing is wrong why is it okay for the state to do it? And where are the sanctity of life folks on the right? My guess is that they have no problem killing people as long as they get to choose the people to be killed.

 

The death penalty is not one of my big issues, although I think it should be abolished as uncivilized.

My understanding of pro-death penalty people is that they approve the ultimate penalty for the most heinous crimes, which I suppose could be considered a way of choosing people. They distinguish between innocent life and guilty life.

 

Are you sure you're not thinking of the conspirators for his assassination that Hitler had hanged on piano wire? Though I have read that short drop hanging is far from a merciful death.

 

I strictly oppose torture and you advocate for the worst form of torture of all for years and decades - every day, every night. Unfortunately, you were not born in the Dark Ages. You'd have loved it.

 

Thanks for proving my point.

 

Such is the irrational world of lib la la land.

 

I'm sure that will teach them a good lesson. I hope they come back and haunt his trailer

 

You can't get your news from an American news source?

 

I'll bet if Trump supporters rioted and killed a couple score of people you'd be the first one in line to spring the trap.

 

Sure. It is reported by multiple outlets. Google, and pick your favorite.

 

I'd be the first to sign on to a tv show from an infrared camera that would show them living in total darkness for the next several decades, with the only disturbance being the opening of a tiny window and the insertion thru it of a slice of bread and a mug of water. They would be howling mad in a month and the screams would continue for years

 

Then you have Rittenhouse who is a right-wing crime wave all by himself. Imean right -wing hero.

 

It won't be Google OR The Guardian.

 

Now that's a "compassionate liberal" for you^. People like you scare me, fortunately I'm heavily armed.

 

The problem is not ours, it's yours, because you dont know the difference between justice and murder.

 

I think it begins with being a psychopath and by that I mean being totally cut off from your inner feeling self and hence your ability to feel empathy. All you are is ego. In this position you have the ability to be without conscience although such people may often have a strong feeling towards their own family who they see as an apendage of themselves.

The second thing which Trump did and which I think all Dictators in democracies do is tune in to the collective unconscious of a group of the people so that you know their concerns and you also know their weaknesses. The Dictator in Democracy can then use this to influence those people to see in him the man who will fulfil their dreams. Research does show that under certain conditions such as the economy going off and something to be scared of, a large section of society are prepared to follow the 'man' they believe is strong and will protect them from all that they are afraid of. The people believe in him so much they are prepared to accept him even if he gives up the norms of society - this can go as far as killing opponents as we see in Putin. Research shows that there is a fairly large section of society who when things are as described above will follow this person even if under normal circumstances when it looked like there was hope in life, or for American's, the hope of the 'American dream' they would not but would instead follow liberal norms. There is a much smaller section of society who are of similar disposition to the ruler.

The West at the moment has the components for Dictators to come into being. The economy is ****ed and terrorism can be used to terrify the people and get them looking for the 'strong' man to protect them.

 

I'm talking about how we should deal with people who have killed a pregnant woman so as to steal the baby she was carrying or the father in New Jersey who killed his wife and all his 4 children because a divorce would have been financially bad for him and the woman he was going to run off with. Killing these people is actually merciful to them and I don't have any sympathy for their sort, though you seem to. Strange how you would make an elderly Veteran go live under a bridge if he fell on hard times but are quite willing to pay for the Assisted Suicide of the advanced depressives who do these terrible things just so society will spend millions to do just that for them

 

But were we that badly off 4 years ago? I am beginning to have my doubts that dictators come exclusively from hard times

 

They might not only come from hard times or they might. I have not looked into that. However I think you are wrong about the situation in the US not being that bad 4 years ago. Another thing you can add to people moving towards the Dictator was lack of confidence in your political elites. (a position which people are perfectly right to have given your political parties are bought)

So. At the moment the US does not appear to be having any terrorism but when it does such an enormous call of the danger to Americans is made that many people believe they are in danger - this despite they are in far more danger from the far right. There was already a fierce hatred/fear of Muslims in the US. That allows another component of fascism to come in - blaming the other, not the cause of the problem. In this case as is usual, the economy.

Econonomists who do not support Neo Liberalism and so are not wanting to defend it believe that this form of Corporate Capitalism in reality came to an end in 2008 and sticking plasters plus the money of the electorate have been put on it since to keep going something which is not working. Long before Covid economists were expecting a big recession/ depression this year. Capitalism which needs to be supported by tax is not capitalism.

The US has come to a time when white people will soon not have an overall majority in the US. This means that 'white' people cannot rely on white privelege for instance getting the job that will mean an improvement in their life.

This part is really important and was there before the 2016 election though it may be stronger now. White working class Americans, even middle class can no longer expect to be able to achieve the American Dream. They can no longer expect to be able to give to their children a better quality of life than was given to them. In many instances they are unable to even give to their children. This has lead in the US to a massive increase in drink, drugs and suicide among working class middle aged men. This happens because they are unable to get sufficient income to provide for their family and given that they have been brought up on the 'american dream' that they can go anywhere they want provided they are willing to work for it, they blame themselves. They believe they are a complete failure, a loser. Drink Drugs and suicide.

So you have what Trump used. You had the lack of trust in your political elites. Trump used this - a vote for him was supposed to be a vote against them.

You had the blaming of the other. White American's are aware that they will not be the overall majority for long and that they already do not always have the advantage of being white which they always had - the ability to earn an income and provide for their family better than theirs provided for them. Trump went against 'the other' as often as he could encouraging racism. Build a wall. Immigrants being criminals and rapists and of course not letting Muslims in. Trump played on racism which probably already existed and whereas before it was seen as socially unacceptable it now was 'just saying the truth'. Trump appealed to both people's fear of terrorism and people's fear of 'the other' getting their job.

The economy. Well obviously Trump managed to get people to believe he was the one and the only one who could solve the problems of the economy.

What Trump was not strong enough to do was to mobilise sufficient support from the people of the US so that they would rise up and put him in as Dictator but he came horrifyingly too close to this. If the ingrained problems are not sorted out, in particular the economy and to be frank the US Politicians answering to the Oligarchs rather than the people, then it is believed another Trump will come up but this one even more appealing and clever and hateful than Trump and he will have even more support from the American people.

 

I don't know if he was right-wing, but obviously made a big mistake playing cop in Kenosha and now he is in danger of spending a long time in prison, maybe even life.