The Hegemonic Masculinity Magnet

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  1. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh thanks for info. What % of them voted for trump?
     
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    Almost no middle of the road magas did participate. In fact, I've been told by at least two friends who went to the rally that when they started to go to the capitol to hiss the villains and cheer the good guys they saw what was happening from a distance and promptly went back to their hotel rooms along with most everyone else.

    As for why you'd have to ask the crazies. I guess, and that's all it is at this point, that their not happy about a whole lot of things not the least of which is being lied about since the sixties.
     
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    Since the left claims they know who they are, they don't but that's another thread, and the Neocons ignore them. The question never gets asked.
     
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    No, spoken by someone who has read the sociological literature on the subject.

    Stevenson and Wolfers discovered that American women rated their overall life satisfaction higher than men in the 1970s. Thereafter, women’s happiness scores decreased while men’s scores stayed roughly stable. By the 1990s, women were less happy than men. This relative unhappiness softened after the turn of the century, but men continue to enjoy a higher sense of subjective wellbeing that is at least as high — if not higher — than women’s.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/may/18/womens-rights-happiness-wellbeing-gender-gap
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Truck nuts says it all.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    er enough for to provide a valid statistical model at least for idiot elitist leftists who have been corrupted by commie university professors and blood drinking Qiddie Qillers. But your ad hom is expected.
     
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    As somebody who has also read something on the subject, even a considerable amount of contemporaneously generated commentary on why women were way happier than their moms and why men weren't so happy as their dads. It was kind of a thing way back in the day.

    We were the first generation that had to deal with liberated women who loved their sex drugs and rock and roll. (Okay disco may have played a role) Guys came to realize their women didn't act like dad's women did by one helluva long shot.

    The 70;s saw that major social shift in male female relations that with those increased freedoms and removal of many social restraints came concomitant increases in personal responsibility, accountability and insecurity amidst little improvement in job/financial opportunities which over time diminished the first rushes of "woman's liberation". It sounds stupid now but it was a very very real thing back in the day.
     
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    Pointing out a fact is ad hominem? LOL. By the way, I’m university educated. That is a very small data set for one study, let alone seven. Of course you would be concerned about this if you were educated on the subject.
     
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    No, I am not concerned about it. I claimed it was "statistically" valid. not definitive, shall we not split hairs? I said it is a explanation that fits for MAGA attracting a certain type of male independent of any other identity/ideology. It fits for why the far right fringe and certain middle of the road types can converge under a single banner. Yet another vector independent of any particular shared political ideology.

    Congrats on your post secondary education, I hope you didn't have to go into to debt or at least not too much.
     
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    If anyone needs an example of what the op is talking about, you have your perfect example right here. Please note that the justification is rooted in “biology”, as if giving sexism a “scientific basis” justifies the sexism. These arguments while not new can also communicate societal values.
     
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    i would say most don't even know what the policies are, they are brainwashed, that they MUST vote democrat (irrespective of policies they support) because the other side are WHITE SUPREMACISTS.

    I have yet to get any answers from my leftist friends when i ask them a simple question 'Why did you vote for Biden? do you know his policies and Trump's policies and how they will impact you?'

    the answer? "I don't know honestly, Trump is a racist"

    Why is a Trump a racist?

    "It's what i hear on the media, must be true"

    and i'm talking about educated people, imagine the less educated.
     
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    The sexual revolution mostly benefited horny guys. It didn't benefit women much at all.
     
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    When it comes to masculinity, even feminist women tend to gravitate toward men that are more masculine in nature. They may virtue signal in support of soy boy types, but they rarely date them unless they are either desperate or looking for someone to utterly dominate. Women, in general, lean towards being more submissive in relationships. Obviously, there are plenty of dominant women out there, but dominance itself is a masculine trait. Submission is a feminine trait. That being said, there are some submissive men as well.

    Attempts to subvert equal rights for women can justifiably be considered sexism, but being masculine as a man and preferring a feminine woman is simply a norm that is rooted in biology. There are very few exceptions to this paradigm when looking at the cultural mainstream, and not surprisingly, the societies that go against this tend to have the lowest birth rates.

    Most immigrant cultures in the West, for example, are substantially more masculine in their orientation among men than among white Westerners. African-American culture also has a firmly established masculine focus among men. And Islamic cultures also tend to be very masculine among their men.

    Overall, white progressives tend to be the exception, where they encourage reversing roles, but then many of the progressive white women instead pursue masculine men outside of their group.
     
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    In “studies” like these I”m more concerned with subjects being paid and given non-monetary compensation than with the actual size of the data set. I have a hard time taking such data sets seriously. I’m quite certain if someone presented a “study” with a small, recruited, paid data set painting Democratic voters in a negative light your reaction would be different. Perhaps not.

    Thanks. I worked 12 hour days six days a week every summer and 6 hours a day minimum after classes to fund my education. I never had to take out a loan. I don’t regret it and as a result certainly don’t take education for granted.
     
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    Same as what I've noticed, ask too many "but why..." and their brains lock up like pouring sand in a gearbox!
     
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    Wow. Just. Wow. There are lots of things wrong with this but I’m going to sum this up pretty simply: I, a woman who is a feminist is dating.... another woman. Who is a bigger feminist than me.
     
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    Okay I've said it before I'll say it again, there is no such thing as toxic masculinity. It is nothing more than a trope, a stereo type. Further it is self serving nonsense.
    This is not to say that there aren't toxic personalities, there are, but they come in both genders in every race and in every socio-economic group. Ask your self why the appalling 'fifty shades of gray' was so popular among women...
     
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    It is true in my experience that women prefer hegemonic masculinists even feminists. Seeing as how your a lesbian you are not the type of women we heterosexual men are interested in so your data point doesn't count.
     
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    Sexism is rooted in biology and is justified by the fact that women are happier. They are biologically programmed to be attracted to hegemonic masculinity.
     
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    Or maybe it is because the Trump voter lost his job when his factory was sold to China, illegal immigrants underbid him when he goes to find a new one and his daughter who was hoping for a sports scholarship got injured when a boy pretending to be a girl knocked her over.
     
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    I’m not a lesbian. I actually feel bad about the guy I had to turn down when I started school. He was the one that got away. He wasn’t dominating. He cared about my opinions and thoughts. He listened to me. I could cry on his shoulder and he could cry on mine. I genuinely loved him.

    Hahahahahahahaha. No. Get that yellow wall paper nonsense out of here.
     
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    Blind acceptance of any "opinion" based poll regardless of subject is something we both learned BEFORE we got to Uni. Its kinda fundamental to a sound critical thinking regime.

    I don't have a hard time with small data sets or with compensated respondents, I take them with the obvious caveats included. And I certainly don't accept them as definitive, more like indicative, suggestive or outright nonsense.

    I bet you don't take it for granted when you had to bust your butt like that.
    Back in 1970, iirc tuition/books was around $400 all in. Its outrageous that access is so financially restrictive in this day and age. We should be pumping out as many educated humans as is possible for our mutual economic and social benefit.
     
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    Gee biology, you don't say. Biologically programmed to be attracted to giant swaggering dicks. do tell.
     
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    Biologically attracted to strong males that can protect them and provide resources for children. 99.9999% of your female ancestors lived like this. The mothers tending to the children while the men were out hunting/gathering. These people are happier than any person in America could imagine. They are living the lives that humans were designed for. We sure as hell aren't doing that now.
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    Because the leftist media say it's so and the DNC tells their adoring fans to believe it.. Funny how the right here on PF never heard of it until the left flooded the site with it, how you reckon that happened ;)
     

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