Oregon promotes teacher program that seeks to undo 'racism in mathematics'

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by HB Surfer, Feb 12, 2021.

  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    79,033
    Likes Received:
    19,958
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    ...
    One of the challenges faced by researchers in this area is the fact that they are limited by their own mathematical and cultural frameworks. The discussions of the mathematical ideas of other cultures recast these into a Western framework in order to identify and understand them.[citation needed] This raises the questions of how many mathematical ideas evade notice simply because they lack similar Western mathematical counterparts, and of how to draw the line classifying mathematical from non-mathematical ideas.

    Some examples and major contributors[edit]
    The majority of research in this area has been about the intuitive mathematical thinking of small-scale, traditional, indigenous cultures including: Aboriginal Australians,[31] the indigenous people of Liberia,[32] Native Americans in North America,[33] Pacific Islanders,[34] Brazilian construction foremen,[35] and various tribes in Africa.[36][37]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnomathematics#The_mathematics_of_different_cultures

    It seems they may be looking for ideas. A brainstorming type of session on how to be more inclusive to all/other cultures.
     
  2. ImNotOliver

    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2014
    Messages:
    14,692
    Likes Received:
    6,643
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The OP is misleading. No one is advocating allowing students to have alternate answers.
     
  3. ImNotOliver

    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2014
    Messages:
    14,692
    Likes Received:
    6,643
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The Pythagoreans were a religious sect. A religion based on mathematics.
     
  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2013
    Messages:
    41,184
    Likes Received:
    16,181
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You need to read more of the history of science. Pythagoras himself studied in both India and Egypt
     
  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2013
    Messages:
    41,184
    Likes Received:
    16,181
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Most of the Greek philosophical thought is profoundly religious. This is why Christianity has so many overtones from Platonism, which was actually the main "religion" of the Age.
     
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2021
    ImNotOliver likes this.
  6. Adfundum

    Adfundum Moderator Staff Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2018
    Messages:
    7,711
    Likes Received:
    4,180
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    My point is that people are making assumptions about this workshop based on a misleading narrative promoted by online media. Those assumptions are fueled by not going back to the original sources and understanding what it's all about. But even if a person does follow the links back, that person needs to understand how it all works.

    I asked you to show me how this workshop recommended taking on this problem of 'White Supremacism' in the teaching of Math. If you read through the handout, you should be able to quote how that was to be addressed by the teachers and why. If you can't explain what's being proposed and what should be changed, then you may be unfamiliar with the teaching methods of the past/present and what expectations were being suggested in the workshop.

    I've been through many such workshops and the very core of this is that there is no single way to teach math or any subject. Some strategies work for some kids, others work for other kids. The notion that's actually being challenged is that old concept of "this is how it's taught and if you don't get it, you either aren't trying or you aren't smart." This is really what the workshop addresses.
     
    ImNotOliver likes this.
  7. ImNotOliver

    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2014
    Messages:
    14,692
    Likes Received:
    6,643
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It seems to have been rather common at one time, religions based on philosophy rather than the worship of a god. Taoism and Confucianism come to mind, as well as Greek schools of thought.
     
  8. Yulee

    Yulee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2016
    Messages:
    10,341
    Likes Received:
    6,383
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yet you don’t even know what it is and you are being mouthy.
     
  9. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2015
    Messages:
    18,334
    Likes Received:
    6,071
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I don't doubt it. But the Egyptians were practical, not mathematical.
     
  10. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2015
    Messages:
    18,334
    Likes Received:
    6,071
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What is the point of that? Mathematics is useful because bridges based on mathematics don't fall down.
     
  11. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2015
    Messages:
    18,334
    Likes Received:
    6,071
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The Persians learned their math from the Greeks and the Arabs from the Persians and Greeks.
     
  12. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2013
    Messages:
    41,184
    Likes Received:
    16,181
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    By the time they are in High School, yes.

    I remember we had a math teacher at the 8th-grade level who used a famous Egyptian tract on right triangles to make his students reason back to Pythagoras on their own. Fascinating, it wouldn't work nowadays because we bring Pythagoras on in the 4th grade
    They knew their math was accurate beyond any practical need, that's why they trusted it to build the Pyramids
     
  13. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2015
    Messages:
    18,334
    Likes Received:
    6,071
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Actually the first two pyramids the Egyptians attempted were failures. The are known as the collapsed pyramid, which collapsed, and the bent pyramid which started at two steep and angle which had to be reduced half way up. The Egyptians were marvelous people but their math was trial and error.
     
  14. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2013
    Messages:
    41,184
    Likes Received:
    16,181
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Until the last 3 pyramids proved it beyond question. The mistakes you refer to had to do with materials science, not mathematics
     
  15. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    71,286
    Likes Received:
    91,112
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    But math is still racist.

     
  16. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    71,286
    Likes Received:
    91,112
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The best and most well known example of bad math is telling people we can insure 45 million people and save $2500 a year on our premiums. Gruber is still laughing.
     
    mngam, Oh Yeah and Lil Mike like this.
  17. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2015
    Messages:
    18,334
    Likes Received:
    6,071
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You do not prove a theorem by using it successfully. You prove it through logical demonstration.
     
  18. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2015
    Messages:
    18,334
    Likes Received:
    6,071
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Quite so:

    Pythagoreanism became the quest for establishing the fundamental essences of reality. Pythagorean philosophers advanced the unshakable belief that the essence of all thing are numbers and that the universe was sustained by harmony.

    And this idea caused science to blossom and allowed the Europeans to eclispe all other civilizations in science, art, music and architecture.
     
  19. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    79,033
    Likes Received:
    19,958
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It's complex.
    It's trying to understand how different cultures think.
     
  20. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    79,033
    Likes Received:
    19,958
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It seems you see everything through the eyes of racist. Math also? Wow.
     
    ImNotOliver likes this.
  21. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    71,286
    Likes Received:
    91,112
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Everything is racist, or so the left says.
     
  22. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    79,033
    Likes Received:
    19,958
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You are now claiming to be leftist?:roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
  23. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2013
    Messages:
    41,184
    Likes Received:
    16,181
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The Greek mixture of science and mysticism was probably what prevented the flowering of the sciences that could have come about from Periclean Athens. The Greeks became fascinated with the "perfection" of mathematical proofs to the extent that they despised actual real-world tests of their theorems in favor of logical "proofs" that had only tenuous connections to reality if any at all. Thus Aristotle was famous for positing the "common sense" idea that a light ball and a heavy one fell at different rates until Galilieo actually dropped two of them together and saw for himself that they both hit the ground together. Plato thought that our reality itself was only a faint shadow of the perfect "forms" which we would never see or directly experience but which were more real than reality itself. Thus robbed of any real connection to, or use in, the actual world science became an interesting hobby, an effete pastime for philosophers who despised the 'gross reality' of the buildings the Romans made several times too strong because they tested them by having the foreman stand underneath when the scaffolding was removed rather than calculating strength with formulae
     
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2021
    ImNotOliver likes this.
  24. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2013
    Messages:
    41,184
    Likes Received:
    16,181
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The Greek mixture of science and mysticism was probably what prevented the flowering of the sciences that could have come about from Periclean Athens. The Greeks became fascinated with the "perfection" of mathematical proofs to the extent that they despised actual real-world tests of their theorems in favor of logical "proofs" that had only tenuous connections to reality if any at all. Thus Aristotle was famous for positing the "common sense" idea that a light ball and a heavy one fell at different rates until Galilieo actually dropped two of them together and saw for himself that they both hit the ground together. Plato thought that our reality itself was only a faint shadow of the perfect "forms" which we would never see or directly experience but which were more real than reality itself. Thus robbed of any real connection to, or use in, the actual world science became an interesting hobby, an effete pastime for philosophers who despicse the 'gross reality of the buildings the Romans made several times too strong because the tested them having the foreman stand underneath when the scaffolding was removed rather than calculating strength with formulae
     
  25. JET3534

    JET3534 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2014
    Messages:
    13,381
    Likes Received:
    11,549
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The following provides a potential explanation -- and that is the uncoupling of genetic mutations and natural selection.
    https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129638953
     
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2021

Share This Page