World’s ‘solar and wind capital’ freezing due to snow ‘blanketing millions’ of solar panels

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  1. ronv

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    The problem, other than being ugly for pollution, is most of them have no way to circulate the air.
    So they suck the warm air out of the room to burn the wood and the rest of the house is cold.
     
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    Louisiana75 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look up eco fan, works by the warmth of the stove and blows the air. Fantastic solution. Take note.
     
  3. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wall St is interested in money. Global warming provides tons of opportunity to make money without actually doing anything about global warming. Examples from an insider to follow.
     
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    Gods, people are so prone to lighting their hair on fire at every little thing. What we have here is an opportunity to
    solve another problem for the future. We figure out what needs to be done to the energy grid to guard against
    possible short term interruptions in electricity - we don't throw our hands up and declare, "that didn't work" because of
    a once in 50 year storm - that's just stupid.

    The whole idea was to modernize the grid over time. We didn't stop building cars because of the Pinto disaster. We started building
    cars with better safety measures. Americans don't give up - they use their brains to fix things - make them better.
    When did we become a nation of whiney ass b****es?
     
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    Some of you wouldn't make it long if your creature comforts were taken away. I'd have the last laugh while staying warm at my wood stove.
     
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    Except that this storm is NOT normal, as just about ALL of the reporting says.

    You noted, then ignored the high demand in natural gas which is causing peaker plants to drop out as they can’t meet demand.

    And concerns about the Texas grid have been a constant for decades. T Boone Pickens was talking about it in 2008.
     
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    Key word --- at.
     
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    You're talking to the people who brag about being highly educated but would never survive a minute without relying others to fix their car, unclog their sink, grow their food, provide them heat, water and a way to recharge their phones plus all sorts of other stuff.
     
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    No most of us are much more comfortable. And we don’t have to haul wood, haul ashes, dust constantly or keep a pot of hot water on top of the stove to keep the air from becoming too dry to breathe!
     
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    The issue being discussed was normal wind production for this time of year not normal weather. Texas's primary big picture problem is that its grid is not interconnected with its neighbors so they cannot pull additional electric into the state they way California can and pretend it is green.
     
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    Really? My burner draws air from the outside and has fans for circulation. If there is no power then obviously the fan no longer functions and then you are left with old reliable heated metal.. The one thing you are mistaken on is FIRE is also rated for radiant heat..

    Always glad to assist, you're welcome..
     
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    From your link:
    ". . . At the same time, the grid is experiencing higher-than-normal generation outages caused by frozen wind turbines and limited natural gas supplies with individuals using it to heat their own homes.

    About half of the state's wind turbine capacity (25,000-megawatts) is not currently generating power because many turbines have become frozen. But, the turbines are still producing more power than typically expected.

    "Wind is putting out more than we count on for the winter season," Woodfin added.

    The turbines that are operating are producing more than normal, he continued. It is uncertain whether there are plans to de-ice the turbines in parts of west and northwest Texas, ERCOT said. . . . "

    The "more power than expected" claim is just statistical fakery. Individual turbine output is not a stand-in for turbine farm output.
     
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    Ha! Climate Change is the new way for Liberals to describe what use to be called Global Warming. There has been Climate Change since the beginning of Time, get use to it.
     
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    I like to call it pollution!........Because thats all we do, is pollute our air and poison are water!
     
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    I think how a campfire works may be a mystery nowadays to city folk.. Not the homeless tent people but many others I'm sure!!
     
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    Let's see if Steve N could survive out in the wild without his warm coat and boots made from modern materials based on chemical processes, or without the bullets for his gun that come from Walmart, or without the high blood pressure medication invented by some of those darn highly-educated liberals from the coasts. I'd rather doubt it. If you take the whole population, maybe 0.01% would actually have the skills to be totally self reliant, without needing any assistance from modern civilization.
     
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    Well you could simply run NG to your fireplace and a nice imitation stack of logs and create a heat source that way! I've never seen NG freeze and I have experienced -62 in 1981 Ice fishing the Flaming gorge with the windchill even colder!
     
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    South Texas Project is nuclear operator with (2) units called 1 & 2. They were going to build units 3 & 4, but the Obama Administration shut it down. Here we are. We are closing nuclear plants throughout the nation, not because they are unsafe, but because politically that is the push from the Left. It's only going to get more dangerous and worse.
     
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    What ya gonna do? Without Fossil you wouldn't even be able to play in the internet..
     
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    He can PM me I'll send him some handmade elk skin moccasins I trade for at the mountain man rendezvous. Hell I get him the entire leather garb for a price.. Maybe even a cool Bowie knife too..
     
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    Not only that Tom is playing his normal deceptive game of take a sentence out of context and applying it to the overall assessment. The article clearly stated the ones that are working are producing more than expected but the problem is 50% of them are NOT WORKING DUE TO ICE. He then goes on to blame the grid, well no crap that's what we've been telling you for years. You can't flip a switch on technology and green energy. It must be blended in at a cost effective rate otherwise you punish the poor that can't afford it. We don't have an extra 10 trillion laying around to make an immediate switch that would take 10-20 years to build at minimum. It's a false narrative and is mainly a money grab for the elite. They sell it to their lefty minions and you get ignorant answers like you've seen in this thread. We want electric cars, wind, solar but the technology today can't support tomorrow currently.
     
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    The beat goes on.


    Wind turbines are freezing in Texas amid 'unprecedented ...
    www.independent.co.uk › World › Americas

    4 hours ago — Frozen wind turbines have caused almost half of Texas's wind generation capacity to go offline in the midst of an “unprecedented storm”. The Lone Star state is under a state of emergency after freezing conditions swept the region, causing dangerously icy roads and leaving nearly 3 million people without power.

    Frozen wind turbines contribute to rolling power ... - CNN
    www.cnn.com › power-outages-texas-monday

    15 hours ago — Some of the warmest places in Texas, where rolling power outages are occurring across the chilly state, are inside cars and trucks parked in ...

    Texas power outages: Frozen wind turbines partly to blame for ...
    fortune.com › 2021/02/16 › texas-power-outage-frozen...

    13 hours ago — Frozen wind turbines are one culprit in Texas's power outages. By. Bloomberg. February 15, 2021 9:02 PM PST. Wind Turbines On The Open Plains Near ...
     
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    And on.


    Nearly half of Texas' wind turbines frozen in winter storm ...
    www.wind-watch.org › news › 2021/02/16 › nearly-hal...

    6 hours ago — The overall power output of Texas has declined after nearly half of the state's wind turbines were frozen in a winter storm over the weekend.

    Historic winter storm freezes Texas wind turbines
    www.statesman.com › story › news › 2021/02/14 › hist...

    2 days ago — Frozen wind turbines hamper Texas power output, state's electric grid operator says. Brandon Mulder. Austin American-Statesman.

    Frozen wind turbines, soaring spot electricity prices: How the ...
    www.dallasnews.com › Business › Energy

    23 hours ago — A mix of freezing temperatures and precipitation is paralyzing wind farms in Texas. That would be devastating for power plants with contracts to ...
     
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    The problem is entirely with the natural gas plants, not the wind turbines.
     
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    The global warming alarmists are being giggled at across the country.

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