World’s ‘solar and wind capital’ freezing due to snow ‘blanketing millions’ of solar panels

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  1. David Landbrecht

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    Wood is a renewable resource and that goes for energy as well. The CO2 from a tree will be emitted sooner or later in any case. The difference is only between rapid and gradual decomposition. Of course, wood smoke could be a temporary problem under certain geographic or weather conditions. Otherwise, efficient wood burning is entirely viable in the correct situation and makes a good mix in the eventual choice of energy sources.
     
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    That has absolutely nothing to do with wind power.

    I was the first one on this thread to discuss Texas’ rickety electric grid. <COMMENTS EDITED>

    And render the wind power rant irrelevant.
     
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    This isn’t news. At least not of folks were paying attention.

    Voices of alarm over the condition of the Texas electrical grid go back almost two decades.

    Updating the Texas grid with modern high tension direct current was one of the backbones of the Pickens Plan back in 2008.

    And the utilities have to share the gas capacity they need with their customers who are trying the keep their homes warm.
     
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    We’re used to right wingers substituting a cartoon for thinking, particularly when they’ve been totally discredited by those annoying facts!

    OF course, a noise campaign like this one is always a good substitute for discussing the failure to invest in grid modernization. The people in power are responsible.

    But they’re using their media to get you to look the other way by entertaining you with a meme that works a standard right wing theme.
     
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    Actually the worst part for me was my face getting cold. I would get into a sleeping bag fully clothed with a stocking hat and then tuck my head inwards into the sleeping bag. It would take a while to warm up but if I did movement of my head away from the inside of the sleeping bag I would get uncomfortable in a hurry. Unfortunately for me, this was an era before Dr Fauci so I had nobody giving me the advice to mask up. That advice would have saved me a great deal of misery.
     
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    This is about the fluke of being without power, and not a permanent solution to completely live off the grid.
    And for that fluke, you indeed need no heating during the night since the insulation will pull you through the night with solar panels.
    While the solar panels as a whole will have a MORE than just return on your investment even. You can't say that about a woodstove.

    As for your personal attack about my education: you wrongfully assumed the left dems got it wrong about how polluting a wood stove is.
    You basically admit to have one, and you should have known the dems are right. So sorry.
     
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    The OP is about a millions of people who went without power, while I don't care about any alleged personal situation of a poster.
    Maybe you should notice such things if you want to barge into a discussion.

    Sounds like you are trying to kill yourself with a carbon monoxide poisoning.
     
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    Its been xinfirmed the rolling blackouts are due to natural has and nuclear plants being taken offline because Texas is a third world state.
     
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    Indeed. If QAnon were Democrat, they'd say it was a conspiracy to make Biden look bad.
     
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    Yes, American readers may not be aware but here in South Australia a number of blackouts due to power grid instability was remedied with the installation of, what was it the time, the largest Tesla battery in the world.

    On the basis of its tremendous success it was expanded by 50%, and has saved consumers an estimated 150 million Australian dollars.

    I wonder if Texas pollies will take the same initiative and do what's needed to stabilise their power grid?
     
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    That is "clean energy" for you. All because of the climate change myth.
     
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    Love it. Obviously haven't read the thread at all :roflol:
     
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    Oh but I did read it and you are wrong.
     
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    Lol half of Austin didn't have power.

    Imagine sitting on all that oil and gas and you don't have power because your wind turbine froze. Lololol

    Sweet idea!
     
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    Well that's Republican states for you, absolutely clueless. All that money and they still have the most out of date grid system in the country
     
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    you saw it here first folks! Peoples kids deserve to die in the cold because their parents dared to vote conservative! Can't make this stuff up!. Also, how does natural gas fail? care to put some facts behind that hate?
     
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    CA is in a constant blackout...

    Do they suck year round, too? Or does only TX suck once a decade?
     
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    Is California sitting on massive oil and gas reserves?
     
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    I have discussed in other posts that wind mills only work if there is a sustained 7 MPH wind, which can never be counted on except on the coast and in the desert. Yet, they will not allow offshore windmills because it devalues the market value of coastal property. There is a large windmill farm outside of Palm Springs, but even there is has to have power plant backup for supporting the cities customers. Solar panels are just as bad. Not only do they threaten wildlife, they are notoriously unreliable for providing power. The supposed Green Energy hysteria fails to realize that they will never replace traditional power companies. The only real alternative is nuclear power, but the same people that push for Green Energy are against the Nuclear options.

    AOC's green energy bill would restrict people from traveling more the 125 miles from home, restrict interstate transportation to rail travel and end the airline industry. During Biden's Presidential Campaign, he said that he would trash the US economy in order to enact the Green Energy bill. He is on pace to do just that. The cancelling the Keystone pipeline and the proposed raise in Federal fuel taxes are just two examples. Then take the GM corporation, that took Government for a bailout, has announced that they will only make electric vehicles by 2035. That is just 14 years from now. I would not suggest anyone buy a GM vehicle. In just over a decade, you will not get repair parts for them. As usual, liberals are out of touch with reality.
     
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    Actually what your article describes was not a failure of either gas or green energy. But a lack of capacity due to insufficient planning. IE: They only prepared for expected energy output based on past energy consumption. They did not think a demand in energy consumption would increase so dramatically in such a short time frame due to a rare occurrence cold storm. In other words human error has caused the black outs. Not fossil fuels or green energy.
     
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    All very well but the nuclear power plants all failed to supply any power to Texans. The offshore wind turbines all continued to work during the cold spell and production had to be reduced because the grid could not cope with the excess electricity generated by these offshore wind turbines
     
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    So, they generated enough power to offset those that froze in West Texas? Not according to the media that reported mass blackouts, and a loss of 50% of wind output energy. Your looking for a positive point during a catastrophe. I guess they should have had backup from the electric company.
     
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    80% of the blackout failures are from natural gass and oil. This is indisputable fact. Another conservative failure. Conservatives live in another world and are grossly out of touch with America.
     
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    Every time I bring up battery farm technology in general, and Hornsdale specifically, I get a chorus of attacks and denials from the Trump crowd.

    Oil industry front men have been telling them that renewables are an impractical myth, and preying on people’s general ignorance of their energy infrastructure to peddle their myth that the only answers are expensive and non renewable.
     

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