I mean the difference in terms of why banning cancer treatment wouldn't be removing bodily autonomy, but banning abortion would.
Yes, but it IS an abortion forum, and biology is relevant to the abortion debate. Rights are important, but so is biology. A person is an "actual" no matter what stage of development they are in. They EXIST. They already ARE, dude... Already did. It is a matter of biology and morality as well. It is not a trap. It is a simple question. Here is is again: Are you in favor of being able to choose to kill a living human who has committed no crime and who has not expressed any desire to die if it will make some other person's life more convenient? I'll even answer it. NO, no I am NOT in favor of such a thing. See how easy that was? You just don't wish to openly admit that you ARE in favor of such a thing.
Ahhh, gotcha. Yeah, I substituted the "cancer treatment" angle with the "mask wearing mandate" angle, and he did not adequately answer me either. He just argued himself into a paradox instead.
. EVERY pregnancy carries the risk of death. EVERY pregnancy harms the woman....EVERY woman has a right to self defense....having sex and getting pregnant are not crimes that require punishment ( forced gestation)... NO ONE said they were a reason to murder one's CHILD. That is simply a consequence of one's choice to have sex. But you think they should be forced to suffer those effects as the price for having sex...that's sick!! Ya, know, all you've got is screaming, "It's MURDER I tell ye, murder! Squawk, squawk, god told me personally it's MURDER, squawk squawk!!!!"....no facts, no reasoning, no logic, just deliberately misinterpreting others posts to suit your agenda and hate for women....NOTHING ELSE...
Obviously you approve of being able to choose to kill a living human who has committed no crime and who has not expressed any desire to die if it will make some other person's life more convenient, otherwise you'd just say NO.
Because she felt like it....like most NORMAL people do.....I suppose now you want to regulate those "evil women's "" sex life , too....monitor it with cameras...?? Ya, ya do.. Women have a right to self defense and do not lose that right because they become pregnant as you insist. Fetuses have NO RIGHTS and YOU have NEVER PROVEN THEY DO and your "god" is NOT proof...
"So, WhAt YoU aRe SaYiNg Is tHaT sHe iS nOt cArRyiNg a HuMaN fEtUs? Is IT a pIkAcHu?" #prolife #libertyhangout #godisgreat
Try to for a moment imagine you are a young woman, you have just found the job of your dreams and you are very excited to start your new career and your new life with the love of your life you just moved in with. Life is going great and one day, boom -- You are pregnant! Neither you nor your boyfriend are ready for this yet. Not financially, not mentally and you just don't want children right now. Are you telling me that a ban on abortion would not limit your bodily autonomy?
Your arguments are, however, very revealing of a religious mentality; rights begin at conception because that is when God puts a soul in you, God intended sex to be first and foremost for reproduction, the pregnant has a duty to give birth, a woman who sacrifices her life for the life of the fetus she is unwillingly carrying is brave, abortion is murder. These are all religious arguments.
I used to hold a very disintegrated, contradictive and tribalistic view on abortion. Although I was never really against it on legal grounds and never actually saw it as bad, I associated the question with "Leftists" and "Radical Femimists" and since I knew I was not one of them and had no will of being associated with these groups, I started arguing against abortion and the more I did it and the more edgy I tried to be, the more I thought it was what I actually believed. Since I was living with a contradiction and being dishonest with myself, I formulated very incoherent arguments, desperately looking for logical reasons I often ended up spicing them with religious undertones about sexual morality despite being an atheist and a profound champion of individual rights. Since I have been there myself, I know a lot of people in the anti-abortionist camp all too well. They are not as confident on this as they may appear and most of them are actually just making honest mistakes. I got out of this as a natural, automatic effect of focusing more on myself and my own life. Lots of introspection and lots of journaling helped me change a lot of my premises and my way of thinking in general. I am not at all embarrassed of this and I am not at all trying to pretend as if it never happened.
So you were an atheist who was against abortion. Yet you would say that you were against it based on religion given that this is what you say about people like me?
Wouldn't you say that sex is first and foremost for reproduction? If not, then what would you say it's first and foremost for?
