What are your views on abortion?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Daggdag, Oct 19, 2020.

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Which best describes your view on abortion

  1. A woman has the right to choose to get an abortion with no limitations.

    41 vote(s)
    47.7%
  2. Abortion should be illegal after the first trimester

    16 vote(s)
    18.6%
  3. Abortion should be illegal except to preserve the health and life of the mother.

    24 vote(s)
    27.9%
  4. Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances.

    5 vote(s)
    5.8%
  1. The Centrist

    The Centrist Well-Known Member

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    Calling something a paradox doesn’t always make it so.
     
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    Yes, it does.


    BTW, did you notice that "god" was mentioned many times in this thread :)
     
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    Uh, duh, female animals also have sexual urges...and humans don't only do it because they want kids!! They do it because it's fun and pleasurable and healthy
     
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    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    This is close to a 100% accurate recreation of our conversation:
    Me: Fetuses have no rights because they are not yet fully developed, independent and separate human beings.
    You: bUt, ThEy aRe HuMaN, rIgHt?
    Me: Potential ones, yes.
    You: bUt, ThEy ArE nOt cAlvEs oR dOlPhInEs. aRe ThEy?
    Me: No, human females are pregnant with human fetuses.
    You: HaHa, tHaT iS of A bIg pArAdOkS, hOw CaNs U sAyS tHeY aRe aNd NoT aRe. HaHa, sTuPiD LeFtY.
     
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    So I guess banning tattoo parlours and body piercing services is taking away women's bodily autonomy! :roflol:
     
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    Non Sequitur
     
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    What about in Israel? Different to the diaspora?
     
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    Only that animals cannot think in terms of "this is the love of my life" or "she/he is so hot" and neither do they have the concept of sexual consent. To them it is all instinct, when March kicks in, so does the cat's sexual urges. The cat cannot control itself neither can it use its reason to make rational choices.
     
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    Easily pleased again I see! :roflol:
     
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    Jesus IS God, Ritter...
     
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    Well, personally I am pro-choice, for many reasons, that I would not like for discuss.

    But again, if you are pro-life I am absolutely OK with it either.
     
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    Nope, there's no difference! Unless women actually perform abortions on themselves and banning abortion means preventing women from doing so! In which case, this would certainly be taking away their bodily autonomy, just like a law which prevents women from piercing their own body.
     
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    So, Christianity is a suicide cult? I have always looked at all religions as death worshippers, but I did not know that Christianity celebrated and worshipped suicide.

    The father killed his actual son, but a mother cannot kill her potential son. Now that, if anything, is a paradox.

    Jesus died and suffered for something he did not do. That is what you Christians view as the most virtuous of acts which is why you oppose abortion and why the Religipus Right are so useless at defending capitalism.
     
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    You haven't explained why you are distinguishing the diaspora from Israel.
     
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    False Equivalency. It’s not even close.
     
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    Another one liner with emoji and no content.
     
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    I have already told twice:

     
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    Per usual, that's NOT at ALL what I said... Refer to my post to see what I actually said.


    RRAA. (repetitive request already addressed)


    Because many of the people currently holding political office are followers of the ways of Satan rather than the ways of Jesus.


    ??? WTF are you even going on about here???


    In VERY RARE cases, it is necessary to abort a baby in order to save the life of the mother. There is nothing wrong with this.

    Outside of this specific and VERY RARE instance, the baby is not causing any harm to the mother. Pregnancy related side effects are not "harm", as pregnancy related side effects are not deliberate physical injury.

    For ALL persons. It is inherent, dude.

    I didn't.

    It's a very straightforward and simple question.

    What is erroneous about it?

    'living' means "developing and/or having a heartbeat" (or, for simplicity, "having a heartbeat")

    'human' means "of the homo sapien species"

    Therefore, a fetus is a 'living human', as a fetus has a heartbeat AND it is of the homo sapien species.

    Again, I am not seeing what is "erroneous" about this...

    Nope, ALL persons have this right (the inherent right to life).

    ... so, when it comes to unborn persons, you DO support the choice to kill a living human who has committed no crime and who has not expressed any desire to die?

    RRAA. (repetitive request already addressed)
     
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    Ritter. He has argued that a human fetus both is AND isn't a human, which is not possible.

    While a fetus, in and of itself, simply refers to an early developmental stage of a mammal (not necessarily of the homo sapien species), it CAN refer to the homo sapien species, and a "human fetus" IS a human, since it is of the homo sapien species.
     
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    Yet another person who refuses to answer the question, as asked... What is so damn difficult about this question? For real... I can just simply answer it with a resounding NO... I'll try again:

    Do you support the choice to kill a living human who has committed no crime and who has not expressed any desire to die?
     
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    Yes, you did.
     
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    Nope, it is a paradox.
     
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    Because the question is along the lines of “Did you beat your wife today?”.

    No one is going to respond to such phrasing.
     
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    And I say it’s a nuance.

    See how that works...
     
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    Do you want to know why nonody is answering it? Because you are being dishonest and are only looking for an opportunity
    to frame your opponent as hypocrtical by pointing out; "sO Y is It Ok iN tHe WomB tHen?"
     
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