Sen. Joe Manchin, a key Democratic swing vote, is open to crafting a 'more painful' filibuster

If Manchin doesn't start toeing the line, Biden is going to call a blitz for Lawrence Taylor....

 

No doubt.

 

Same subject, that is what they are going to use the filibuster for. It will force Democratic Party power and control for the next 50 years and likely fracture the nation in an irreconcilable manner.

 

Not sure what you are meaning? Are you suggesting that it be used to indirectly overturn election results? Let's say a Presidential candidate wins an election on a platform that gives him/her a 7 million vote margin. Are you suggesting a Senate minority could be used to block legislation based on that platform?

 

No. The filibuster change is to ensure the following changes to our elections:

• No Voter ID
• No Signature Verification
• Federalization of Congressional and Presidential Elections (seizing power)
• Unrequested Mail in Ballots with no Chain of Custody
• Audits that cannot match the voter to the vote.
• Ballot Harvesting

... and that is a wrap for "We the People" as you will never have a truly open, honest, and verifiable election again.

 

That sounds GREAT.

I hope your prediction is correct.

As far as the OP and Manchin? Good for him.

He has a lot of power in a 50/50 Senate.

 

OK...I see. Your point is that you think your list consists of policies Democrats are for or against and may only be blocked or approved of via a Republican filibuster. But, election laws are primarily in the hands of State legislatures. Any federal law regarding these issues would require a Constitutional amendment, which requires a super-majority for passage. I am not arguing against ALL super-majorities, only those not specified in the Constitution.

 

There is a current bill that will require this change to the filibuster, that will take away the State Legislatures' power and give it to the Federal Government in regards to elections. The same bill also has the following changes:

• No Voter ID
• No Signature Verification
• Federalization of Congressional and Presidential Elections (seizing power)
• Unrequested Mail in Ballots with no Chain of Custody
• Audits that cannot match the voter to the vote.
• Ballot Harvesting

 

What's the bill...name and number? I'm skeptical...this is one of the few "State Rights" left. I seriously doubt it would pass without a Constitutional amendment...which would require a super-majority for passage.

 

HR 1 - Here you go.

https://abc7.com/hr-1-vote-count-house-resolution-hr-2021-summary-did-pass/10388522/

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/03/07/pelosis-hr1-bill-a-blatant-power-grab-for-democrats/

 

Manchin is truly sittin' in the catbirds seat...his personal fortune ($$$) shall surely increase for the next two years. He's gonna play it like a fiddle at EVERY opportunity that arises, obtain HIS payday then vote the party line.

 

Sounds GOOD.

What is the GOP so afraid of?

If the people truly "support" the GOP, then the GOP should be in favor of as many voters as possible.

Unless, of course, the GOP is aware that they can not possibly win unless they surpress the vote?

 

Thank you...I'll stand corrected, although I would doubt that, even if it passes the Senate (absent a filibuster), it would survive a Supreme Court challenge, given a conservative Court. Article I, Section 4, DOES seem to give Congress the Constitutional power to overrule State Legislatures on Presidential and Congressional elections, by simple majorities.

 

Be thankful they're not calling it cancel culture.

 

I agree. The minority party should have some method of delay when they feel strongly that a bill should not be passed. It should not be as simple as sending an email, though. They should have to stand and speak.

What Democrats need to keep in mind is that whatever changes they make to the fillibuster rule, they'll have to live by the next time they're the minority party. And don't be surprised when that happens soon after the next midterms.

 

Right, but at this time, the divide is as big as the Bootes Void. Just getting the Democrats to all agree on something is like trying to herd cats.

 

That question and answer applies to nearly all politicians, doesn't it?

 

I'll probably be sorry I asked, but what does the Senate's fillibuster rule have to do with elections?

 

If he always sells out his constituents, why do they keep electing him?

 

If you believe that, then can I have your forthcoming $1,400 check?

 

Yes, but the filibuster was designed as a last-minute thing for bills the minority were REALLY against. It wasn't designed to just block one party from doing ANYTHING like the Republicans have used it to block ALL Democratic bills for a long time.

I think Biden is doing exactly right here. He is using our majorites to break the Republican stranglehold and even going around the Republicans by decree when he has to

 

Nooo, send it to my fund that is going to send it back with some others and a strongly worded letter. After, of course, I buy the $1400 cuckoo clock I've had my eye on

 

Exactly.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republican-party-voting-reform-coronavirus

 

Part of deliberations is to sometimes halt them, lest you're making a mistake.(Also, didn't the House vote to approve of the stimulus and thus it's sent to President autocrat?(We're in Syria BTW after his secretary told us that we are not in fact in Syria.)

Two months, and he's already worse than Trump by any measure of democratic standards.

 

The whole point of the filibuuster is to not overreact with a bunch of new laws every time the power changes hands,. The dems in 2013 created the nuclear option for court appointees (basically eliminated the filibuster) then hated it when it was used for Supreme Court nominees the last 4 years. Now we're hand ringing over filibusters , which would create even more and more potential laws and reversal's every 2-4 years. The whole point of the Senate is to move slow and avoid big swings in laws depending solely on who's in power at that time. The dems nor republicans will be in power all the time, we don't want things taking wild swings back and forth. If you kill the 60 vote needed to invoke cloture, we will see big swings in law, which is a detriment to the country as a whole. As an example, the dems used the filibuster more than any other congress in the history of the filibuster during the Trump administration, I bet the dems think this was really good then. If the rules were changed and it's easier to avoid the filibuster then you can bet the next time Republicans are in charge the dems will be up in arms they can't filibuster as easy and you will see major shift in law every two to four years.