Sen. Joe Manchin, a key Democratic swing vote, is open to crafting a 'more painful' filibuster

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"The filibuster should be painful, it really should be painful. and we've made it more comfortable over the years," Manchin said on Fox News Sunday. "Maybe it has to be more painful." One solution could be to require a "talking filibuster," where senators can block legislation temporarily through feats of endurance. "If you want to make it a little bit more painful, make him stand there and talk," Manchin said on NBC's Meet The Press.. "I'm willing to look at any way we can, but I'm not willing to take away the involvement of the minority."

"But I'm not going to go there until my Republican friends have the ability to have their say also," he said. "I'm hoping they will get involved to the point where we have 10 of them that will work with 50 of us."
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/sen-joe-manchin-key-democratic-080605687.html

Well, this won't be enough, Joe..... Surely he knows this. R's LOVE inflicting (and receiving) pain.... it's their drug of choice...

So you make Ted Cruz read Green Eggs and Ham again? After that, you still are going to have 50 people incapable of doing the right thing, voting against you. Maybe Manchin will require Cruz to filibuster in his underwear?? That would be painful, for everybody...

To paraphrase Mission Impossible (which is actually a great title for Biden getting most anything past this Senate) to Senator Manchin, "Hope is not a strategy"

The filibuster argument is coming at us fast. Where do you stand?

I'm all for the minority "having their say", but I'm more for the majority winning votes...

 

I am actually ok with his idea. It makes it so the filibuster is not automatic and not permanent.

Make them work for it, but have an end to it eventually like there used to be.

What we have today is a joke.

 

Sounds reasonable to me.

 

The filibuster is another form of obstruction. Elections are supposed to have consequences. Congress is a deliberative body by design.

 

IMO, the filibuster rule, allowing the minority to block the vote of the majority, is unconstitutional. In every other constitutional vote other than a simple majority, the Constitution specifies the super majority required for passage. It is only through a Senate "rule" that the super majority of 60 votes required to end debate, that allows the minority to overcome majority, in legislation other than passage by reconciliation.

 

The problem is both sides love it too much when they are not in power to get rid of it when they are.

But I do think that will change this year

 

Agreed.

 

Manchin is a guy that once wrote me a six page letter saying he would not support gun control. Then after elected, he supported gun control. Take if from one of his constituents. Manchin is looking for a way to posture as a tough guy and also cave to the leadership of his party. This may sound like a difficult thing to do, but should be "old hat" to an experienced Senator.

Question: How do you know when Joe Manchin is lying.
Answer: When his lips are moving.

Liberals can't trust Manchin any more than conservatives. In the WV panhandle, Manchin brought in polluting heavy industry outraging the local liberals. Word went around that it had been a mistake. Manchin would stop the heavy industry once reelected. Of course, after being reelected, he did nothing thereby outraging the local liberals. They went to to DC to occupy his office and he had them arrested.

https://www.journal-news.net/journa...cle_823b0b0b-4d2b-5c5d-9189-c7c9d19359ea.html

 

Well, while I'm now convinced the FB is not a good idea, I wouldn't go so far as to think it's unconstitutional. The Senate is free to set whatever rules they want, stupid or otherwise...

Everybody needs to remember a FB doesn't impact what people will or will not vote for... it's just a way of preventing voting (which seems to be a Republican go-to these days).

Put a bill out.... have debate.... whip your members (figuratively).... make deals and amendments, then vote....

On everything... It's truly amazing on how little gets publicly voted on these days...

 

Well, if you cannot put a polluting heavy industry in WVA, where are you gonna put it??

This from the state where coal mining is still a thing...

What do you think Joe has in mind for the FB?

 

.... and there goes free, fair, and transparent elections for good.

Goodbye U.S.A., we hardly knew you.

 

IMHO, he will posture and then sell out the people of WV as he always does. So I think the days of the FB as we know it are limited.

 

Disagree. That would allow (and does allow) a minority of 40 Senators to overcome both the House majority and the Senate majority. Our political system is based on the sovereignty of the people expressed through representatives and fundamental principle of majority rule) and NOT by Senate rules.

 

As it should be. It no longer serves the purpose it was designed for.

 

BTW, my post was obviously sarcasm....Me and my family LOVE WVA.... we vacation there periodically, golf and hike....

Dolly Sods is my sons #1 hiking destination....

 

As you say, they allow it... it's not being forced on them somehow...

But your arguments is one of the best against it.... it violates the principle of majority rule...

If people thought Manchin (and Sinema) held power during the COVID bill, they haven't seen anything yet...

 

Hmmm...right. Manchin's just carrying on the politics of West Virginia...a la the late Senator Robert Byrd.

 

There is no "Covid Relief Bill"... there is a Democratic Donor Payoff Bill and then some scraps to keep the stupid sheep quiet and placated for a few weeks.

I hope the Millennials and Gen Z enjoy paying off what the Boomer just wrote the check for.

 

I like the talking fillibuster. Make someone get up there and actually hold up the discussion. It does two things: 1) ensures that it's only used when someone is willing to physically put themselves on the line and 2) gives plenty of video evidence to use against the folks when their pettiness or outright BS allegiances come out. The next bill that tries to rein in an industry and gets fillibustered by a senator, we can see just how in that industry's pocket that person is. The automatic fillibuster has never been good, for either party. Folks should have to sweat for their obstruction.

 

what does the filibuster have to do with free, fair, and transparent elections?

 

It makes it more difficult for Republicans to obstruct and that isn’t fair!

 

Different subject. The election process has nothing to do with the filibuster.

 

The conservative "deflection" is the PF.com equivalent of the filibuster.... We disagree with the majority of the country, so we'll change the subject.....

 

Joe Manchin reminds me of Joe Theisman. They could be brothers.

 

Hahaha...could be. Also could be they are either a domestic or foreign poster who doesn't really understand how U.S. politics and government work. Lots of posters who have access to a computer and the skills to participate in forums believe it makes them competent enough to comment on any subject.