When Chauvin is acquitted...

But not necessarily to due to pressure on his neck.

The defense will ask the doctor "Can you conclusively say that Floyd died due to pressure on his neck?" The answer will be "no". That makes it reasonable doubt.

 

When the coroner testifies that there was no bruising of the neck, that there were no signs of mechanical asphyxia, the opinion of the doctor who received the deceased wasn't in a position to "try to save" anyone. Was said doctor there at the time that intimation and CPR were initiated? No? How would said doctor have been able to save anyone? Perhaps you should site the testimony of said doctor. I suspect that when the defense has the opportunity to cross, his statements will need quite a lot of cleaning up given your assertion of them.

 

Shame on him for dying in public. I see your point.

 

none of this has any relevance to the cop murdering him. We have video of this. What Floyd did before having his neck kneeled on for over 7 minutes has no relevance.

 

My superficial analysis is the official manner of death.

 

lol

not according to the autopsy, lol.

 

It is very much relevant because that was the reason he was being restrained with a knee on his neck.

 

When the coroner is asked by the defense whether he can say conclusively that the knee on the neck was the cause of death, he will say "no".

 

A fancy way of saying you don't have the coroner's report, huh.... The official cause of death was hypertensive heart failure. That you don't know what that means, not surprising. In your mind, does it just come down to you enjoy burning down the country?

 

Wrong. But we've been over this ground before...

 

The same report classified the death as murder. The ER doctor said that the heart attack was most likely caused by asphyxia. Stop being a troll.

 

On June 1, Hennepin County Chief Medical Examiner Andrew Baker ruled that Floyd, 46, died of cardiopulmonary arrest.
Baker found that Floyd's cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." He also listed hardening and thickening of the artery walls, heart disease and drug use as "other significant conditions." Fentanyl and methamphetamine were found in Floyd's system.

Prosecutors don't have to prove that Chauvin's actions alone caused Floyd's death, according to Minnesota's guidelines for jury instructions in criminal cases. According to the state and the defense's proposed jury instructions, "  'To cause' means to be a substantial causal factor in causing the death. … The fact that other causes contribute to the death does not relieve the defendant of criminal liability."

 

I posted this is another thread but I think it pertains to this topic also

to be convicted, the prosecution must prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that chauvin is guilty..

Chauvins defense will certainly prove "doubt" that he is responsible for floyds death

the key word here is "reasonable".

no "reasonable" person can look at these videos or listen to the testimony of the other police officers
and say chauvin is "not guilty"

there is clearly a video of chauvin with his knee on the neck of man with his hands cuffed behind his back,
laying facedown on the street, and pleading for chauvin to remove the pressure on his neck
chauvin's response was to put his hand in his pocket to be comfortable during the 9 minute 29 second murder

but the most incriminating evidence is every police officer that has testified has sworn the below ..

the actions of chauvin on may 25th 2020 "WERE NOT POLICE PROCEDURE"

chauvin failed to serve and protect and fullfill his oath as a police officer

and the results of his actions caused the death of george floyds

again

no reasonable person can look at the evidence and say not guilty

 

Of course it does, since that is why.

 

Two things:
You forgot to mention that the decorated officer Derek Chauvin racked up 18 complaints over his 19-year career as a police officer
In the US killing ex-convict, thief, illegitimate child maker, drug addict, counterfeit money passer and all around dirtbag is still a crime.

There is no doubt that acquittal of Derek Chauvin will start a street riots. Today many Americans behave almost like a white mob many years ago.

 

Please note asphixia is what kills you with a fentanyl overdose.

 

Isn't that what Chauvin thought ?

""This black man is guilty, I am the judge and jury and will "hang" him."

 

Blah blah blah overdose blah blah blah. You're wrong. Read the death certificate.

Hypertensive heart failure? Lmfao. That's not written on anyone's death certificate. Your charade posts are ignorant.

 

People believe and say- What serves their purpose.
There are no videos of Chauvin murdering Floyd. Their are videos of Chauvin restraining Floyd using the techniques that the Minneapolis Police Dept. teaches and endorses. In those videos, Floyd is saying he can't breathe.... yet, if he could not, he would not be able to say that. It's also what he was telling officers as he sat in his own car, crying like a baby and saying he was dying before he was restrained at all. It's totally obvious that Floyd was experiencing a serious drug-induced condition.

There are massive political pressures here- including one to discard any respect of justice and throw Chauvin under the bus in an attempt to keep the thugs that the left has been enabling from burning the rest of Minneapolis. Trial by Mob, not by law. If there was ever a trial which should have been granted a change of venue in the hopes of getting a fair verdict, this is it- but the judge denied that request. The thugs would have rioted over that too.

Anybody who disagrees with the "kill Chauvin" mentality of the thug mobs menacing that city- the same people it's government lives in fear of triggering into another riot- is in immediate danger of personal, physical attack.... That's the kind of people and threats involved. It's obvious the intimidation is working, and that only empowers the mobs.

Thousands of suspects have been restrained by this same technique. It is not a method of murder, but of restraint, a way to control a resistant suspect. Chauvin weighs about 150, is 5'-5" tall. Floyd was 6'4", which would probably make him about 250 lbs. If Floyds's whimpering conduct had turned to rage (entirely possible under the drug influence) Chauvin wouldn't have stood a chance of holding him down.

It's possible Chauvin applied too much pressure, and did restrict the blood flow to Floyds brain. However the autopsy finds no damage to the trachea, larnyx, hyoid or surrounding tissues that would be expected as a result of that. There was no petechiae in the eyes or other membranes, something usually found in cases of strangulation. It's more likely that Floyd was already physically progressing towards death from the drug overdose when restrained, and that the vast political pressure to appease the mob had a great deal to do with the separate statement by the medical examiner to label the death a homicide.

The people responsible for maintaining law and order and justice in Minneapolis are all intimidated. The more they try to calm the situation with appeasement, the more powerful the thugs become, the more they are encouraged.

Justice should rule here- regardless of what the mob wants. That requires strength of character in the officials involved, and strong, unbending but fair enforcement of law- and it's not there.
Cowardice abounds; moral strength and backbone- AWOL.

If Chauvin is not guilty, the thugs will promote riot from anger. If he's convicted, the thugs will riot in celebration of their victory over the justice system, and having the power to control the city. Either way- crime will increase and the city at large slide down the slippery slope they created when they failed to stand firm in the beginning.

Control of crime often requires force, the very nature of police work is to take control of situations where people refuse to control themselves and pose a threat to others. Lethal force is an integral part of this, and usually results because of actions by the suspect. Accidents do happen; this is often a highly intense and emotional situation. Illegal actions by police are always investigated and usually tried. That is justice, what's going on in Minneapolis is more like a scared sheriff trying to decide how to appease a lynch mob that would like to hang him and tree the town too. Shame applies all around, to both sides.

There can be nothing gained by tolerance of violence- far too much has already been lost, not only in property damage and lives- but in the capacity of this city to make itself a safe place for it's citizens to live, and commerce to take place- regardless of color.

The notion that police hunt black people to kill and are systemic racists is pure BS, serving only the thugs and radical politicians seeking disruption. IF you do some homework, you find that the numbers of black shot by police is greater that their percentage of population...But LESS than the extent of their commission of serious crimes, which is what brings them into contact with police in the first place. FBI crime stats fully support this. More blacks are killed in confrontations with police, because their crime rates bring more of them into confrontations.

Here is a statistical graph from the US Bureau of Justice Statistics. Blacks are 13% of our population- but they commit 53% of all murders, and a white person is 42 times more likely to be attacked by a black person than a black person is to be attacked by a white person. Funny how all those claiming systemic racism always fail to pay any attention to the documented facts. Sadly, even the fine black people in our society, who are hurt the most by this issue- usually will not speak to it. If they do, they are branded "Uncle Toms" and demonized by the blacks who endorse the victimhood mentality. None the less, the record of violence in America is heavily weighted towards the black population.

 

Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo testified Monday that former city police officer Derek Chauvin was not using the defense tactics taught by his police department with suspects resisting arrest when he pinned George Floyd to the street, placing his knee to Floyd’s neck.

 

it's entirely irrelevant, as he was completed subdued, handcuffed and laying face down on the pavement with one officer on his neck and 3 others standing next to him. It is depraved indifference homicide.

 

yes, I've actually shown you the autopsy report and the ME findings, showing the knee contributed to his death lol.

 

completely irrelevant. He was handcuffed, and laying face down on the pavement. Kneeling on his neck for over 7 minutes while cuffed and laying face down, is depraved indifference homicide.

 

Who continued to resist even after handcuffed.

But that was not my point. The point is that the defense will ask whether he can conclusively say that the knee on the neck killed him. The answer will be no.

 

well, if you are going to lie we can't have an actual conversation. And no, there isn't a police department in the country that teaches it's officers to kneel on the carotid artery of a handcuffed and face down suspect for over 7 minutes, 3 of which the suspect was unconscious.