Yacht clubs, golf courses, gated communities: Florida’s pop-up vaccine clinics raise ethical concern

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  1. MJ Davies

    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

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    I, too, question your post. My understanding of the situation is that "connected" people were given the convenience of getting their shots while the "average Joe" had to camp out and wait forever for the vaccine. I don't believe anybody wants to deny the elite the vaccination. It's the prioritization and nepotism that's the basis of the complaint.
     
  2. Condor060

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    None of your examples are from Flroidians complaining. EVERY ONE is the opinion of a reporter.
    My response is, DeSantis's efforts have resulted in Florida vaccinating over 50% of Florida's senior population.
    The highest of any state in the nation.
    Looks like your immoral behavior is really paying off. Lets us know when one of those Democrat rioting states hits those numbers of vaccinations.

    As far as DeSantis is concerned, you couldn't throw a stone in any Florida senior facility and not take out a few dozen DeSantis voters.

    looks like more states should follow DeSantis lead since he has fewer deaths and more vaccinations than ANY leftist communities.


     
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  3. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And that's DeSantis' fault?

    You think DeSantis controlled how much vaccine went to each Publix? You think he controlled their availability schedule? Doubtful. Publix got an allocation, and Publix distributed that allocation to their locations. Shortly after, CVS and Walgreens finished up their long term care vaccinations, they got into the picture too. They got a distribution, and they allocated that distribution to their locations. On top of those locations communities had access to the pop up locations, and mass distribution locations. If Publix didn't have enough vaccine to meet demand in your location, perhaps they could have better managed their own distribution, or perhaps it was due to the fact that there was limited supply everywhere, including within the gated community pop ups.

    Everyone in multiple communities of thousands donated to DeSantis? Yah Right. If a community has a high concentration of seniors, that's where some of your distribution of vaccines should go. Doesn't matter how much money is in their pocket or who they donated to.
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You agree though that you have to prioritize to efficiently distribute the vaccine to the people most effected by the disease, that seniors are a high priority, and that seniors are also more likely to be financially secure.
     
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    I too am a Floridan and as of yesterday, 10.2 million vaccine shots have been given in FL with 4 million folks now fully vaccinated.

    That is more than the entire combined population of Democrat-voting NH, Maine and Vermont

    You can bellyache the Democrat talking points all that you want but 4 million folks COMPLETELY VACCINATED

    And you call that a failure and bellyache?????????

    Add that to the 2 million folks who recovered from Covid in FL and have antibodies and we're in pretty good shape at this stage of the game

    And, more vaccines are being doled out each day

    You and your fellow Democrat voters really need to find another topic as Covid isn't going to sink DeSantis. Maybe you can gin up a sexual harassment story.
     
  6. MJ Davies

    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

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    I agree that distribution should be prioritized.
    I agree that seniors are a high priority.
    I'm not sure that seniors are more likely to be financially secure (many are on fixed incomes).

    Nevertheless, none of that explains why some people should be given the red carpet treatment over others not as well connected or affluent.
     
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    The answer to your question I gave there also stands.
     
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  8. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    What nonsense!

    It's arguments like these that convince me of how the right is desperate to defend any of their own even if they stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shot somebody. I'm sure you'd say something like "Hey! The guy who was shot didn't complain!"

    It's just amazing...

    False!

    Florida is 41... only 9 states have done worse than Florida
    https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...entage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html

    Florida's vaccine rollout has been a disaster since the start
    https://www.orlandosentinel.com/cor...0210321-pdkynkqowffzzpldi2aqnsyare-story.html

    But hey! You don't see any yacht club members complain!

    Yes! They are full of Trump cultists who will vote for anybody who praises Trump. Desantis didn't need bother with them, because they will vote for him no matter what. Desantis is more concerned about his donors.

    I think some like Texas, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, ... did. Just to name a few that have done even worse than Florida. And based more on how much money he can get for his campaign, and not on saving lives.

    Now that I did your research for you, it's time for you to accept that Desantis' handling of vaccination has been a disaster.
     
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  9. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes!

    He controls how much vaccine doesn't go to Publix because it went instead to a Yacht Club of which his donors are members.

    As for the rest of your post... the lamer right wing excuses become, the more convinced any level-headed poster should be of how inexcusable what this governor has done is.
     
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    And we are 41 among the 50 states in percentage of the population vaccinated.
    https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...entage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html

    But hey! More like 100% if you happen to be a yacht club member and a Desantis donor.

    People are still dying in Florida. And they have been since December, when Desantis started getting his rich donors vaccinated. What gives him the moral authority to decide that a donor of his has more right to live, than a Walmart greeter who can't make ends meet with his pension alone, and couldn't get his shot until months later?

    Answer!
     
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    If it was nonsense you would have provided the quotes from Floridians (Instead of leftist reporters as I stated) complaining about the vaccinations in Florida.
    Since my claim is true, and you can't provide a single complaint from any Floridian in your own links, you do what you always do. Default to gibberish.

    Either show me where all these Floridians are up in arms in your own links as I claimed, or move on.


    If you had done any research, instead of regurgitating your beloved media, you would know these states are publicly reporting on vaccinations administered to account for what they have used vs what they need. Florida is the first state in the nation to vaccinate more than 500,000 individuals 65 years of age or older, accounting for nearly 60% of total vaccinations in the state. Due to reporting lags, this number clearly understates the total of seniors vaccinated.




    Or any other Floridians for that matter. Just media spew.

    Just an FYI, If you are going to post links to back up your stories, and someone makes a claim about your link, you can always quote those parts that disprove others claims.
    The only reason you wouldn't do that and start providing opinion gibberish, is because the accusation made by the poster was true
     
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    This is EXACTLY what I am talking about. KNOWINGLY skewing numbers for another FAKE media claim.

    Only in the leftist mind could you determine that percentage of the total population being vaccinated could possible have any relevance to the actual job being done.
    Of course those percentages will be lower in states with double and triple populations. OMG, there is no end to the lefts bullshit.

    Florida has vaccinated over 3 MILLION people with more than 60% of their seniors in that number. How many states in your fake list can make that claim?
    I guess you think California with 18% of its population vaccinated is just as dumb as Florida huh. That would only be over 7 million vaccinated.

    Skewing numbers on your charts only proves one thing. How desperate you are to try and make another fake point.
     
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    I thought we agreed that the priority was seniors. What percentage of seniors are vaccinated, and how many actual vaccinations does that represent?

    Source? I've not been shown data that quantifies those three variables. How many shots were the pop ups in the gated communities allocated? You assume enough to cover everyone that donated to Desantis? Where's that data?

    Still the most ridiculous argument. Florida prioritized seniors while other states were vaccinating healthy workers. If you were in another state, and a senior, you couldn't even stand in line. In one month 25% of all seniors were vaccinated. In three months it's something like 65% of all seniors. In what universe does it make sense to improve the system by making people wait in line outside of your specific publix? You've presented zero evidence that your system would have delivered vaccine to seniors FASTER and Florida delivered it to seniors the FASTEST.

    Seniors waiting in line in Florida got vaccine before Seniors in many other states were even allowed to wait in line! Why on Earth would you complain that the lines should have been made longer!
     
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    No, it doesn't. Because reading your post the only thing that I can think of is that you're pissed that some rich people are, at least to you, getting preferential treatment. You want them treated as if they were poor. As if the only reason that they are getting "preferential treatment" is because they are rich. Oh and of course they support Republicans. Which as far as I can tell, you despise. So that's two things against them. They're rich, and they are Republican.

    Now, if this is not the problem then by all mean, answer my question. Because I don't want to take you out of context. So, explain. What makes a senior in a gated community different from a senior in a senior home.
     
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    Other states ( my state included ) were prioritizing healthy teachers.

    Who do they donate to?
     
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    Absolutely not! That would mean I'm taking your argument seriously. You can't expect me to stoop down to that level.
     
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    Oh! For a minute there I forgot the mantra! "Any facts presented which might displease the leader or his minions are a worldwide leftist conspiracy to make Hillary President of the world"

    Snug, isn't it?

    It goes well with the second mantra: "Never show references, quotes and links of your own to rebut solid arguments"
     
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    No. The priority in Florida was healthcare workers. Seniors were second after those had received their vaccine. ALL seniors. Not just Desantis' donors. The rest of your post is based on this false premise.

    I asked this question to another poster. Maybe you could answer: why was the life of yacht club members, and other groups that are major Desantis contributors, given priority over the life of a Walmart Greater who can't make it through the month with his pension alone?

    Or, on second thought, maybe you can't.
     
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    Oh, dear God! How DARE I insinuate that the life of a poor person is just as important as the life of a rich Desantis donor.

    Do you even realize what you're saying? I really really hope you didn't. That you weren't paying attention, or something. Poor people have sons, grandsons, friends... just as many people who love them as rich people. And I mean that genuinely love them. Not like Desantis who only loves their donations.

    What unbelievable nonsense!

    I'm embarrassed to even have to respond to it. I'm serious.
     
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    Which walmart greeter are you talking about? Or is this a situation that happened in your imagination?

    If I find a Walmart greeter that lives in a gated community is your whole argument blown to shreds?
     
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    This is how you know a poster is finished with no credible defense of their own post.
    As soon as they start avoiding their own links provided and can't defend what they posted from their own links, they always start posting nonsense.

    This was my claim
    Your response

    My claim

    You response

    But now you can't answer because That would mean you would be taking my argument seriously?

    Tell me, how many posters actually buy into this gibberish? But as I have posted before time and time again, you always wind up dodging and skirting around every time you are asked to be accountable for your own claims. This is just one of hundreds of examples. It supports the claim that you deal mostly in leftist propaganda instead of actual events.

    If you could support your claim of Floridians all complaining about the vaccine distribution or actual interviews of Floridians complaining about the vaccine distributions, instead of just leftist fake media propaganda, (as I claimed) you would have provided it.

    Instead, you default (as per usual) to anything that keeps you from being accountable.
     
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    4 million folks fully vaccinated, 10.2 million shots given

    Not too shabby and yes, Florida has been and will continue to be "death's waiting room" given the large population of elderly and those with co-morbidities. This was way before covid-19.

    You really need to find another wagon to which to attach your Desantis hating horse. You and your fellow Democrat voters will not succeed if you think false reports from 60 Minutes and trumpeting Covid will work
     
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    They weren't. Pop up Clinics were posted in 22 retirement communities across Florida to vaccinate seniors on sight instead of having 10s of thousands of seniors all going to outside locations exposing them even more to infection.
    Thats called common sense, something the left is severally lacking. Instead of bringing the vaccinations to communities were there are 11,000 seniors, the left would have all 11,000 go to a mall because that was fair.

    Thats why Florida has better numbers than most. They use common sense instead of political jousting.
     
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    Hmmm? Many on the "left" believe that basic health care is a basic right...for all...rich or poor. The Florida Governor obviously does not.
     
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    Are you embarrassed yet at the ability of the news to spin you out yet? You seem unable to accept positive results because your willingness to take for granted the veracity of folks like usatoday news. It's pretty amusing to the rest of us, but at some point, don't you ever get embarrassed when these stories end up being fabricated and designed to spin folks like you up and you get called on it?
     
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