Yacht clubs, golf courses, gated communities: Florida’s pop-up vaccine clinics raise ethical concern

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  1. Condor060

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    It seems you have only provided a bias version of this report. First off, The list they provided includes just 22 clinics at housing developments, a fraction of what has occurred in vaccination sites.
    And some of these facilities have over 11,000 seniors in them. Why would you move 11,000 people when you could handle this on location or have them chocking up lines at POD facilities?
    So the idea that DeSantis was giving favoritism seems to be the same ole leftist whining as per usual because they don't like him. Another leftist media BS accounting.

    According to the Florida Department of Health officials in your link, they have worked with local governments to set up large vaccination sites at parks, malls, fairgrounds, stadiums, churches, and community centers along with pharmacies and health care facilities to provide 100s of primary distribution points in Florida communities all over the state.

    Just another fake claim by the fake left because DeSantis is blowing them out of the water on his states ranking of 39th in the country for Covid fatality numbers. Not to mention his state host more people who are the most susceptible to the virus as it is a senior retiring mecca. Even hosting more retired folks over 65 than just about every other state, and the 3rd highest population in the US, DeSantis is still able to have a better record than most, in some cases almost half the fatality claims per 1 million population.

    Instead of faking claims about DeSantis, you should be praising him for his historical record and learning what he did to make Florida one of the safest states to date.
     
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    Good, then you agree, the leftist Democrat states that allowed riots and protest to go on for 8 months is the major contributor to their death count making them IDIOTS for allowing such to happen.
    While DeSantis kept his state free of these BLM, and rioting scumbags, its why he has a rate that is 1/3 or 1/2 of those states that did allow it.
     
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    Only problem is, you have nothing but Democrat leftist bitterness making those claims. Why isn't there a long line of Seniors or Floridians on camera in Florida making this claim to masses of reporters instead of leftist who aren't even in the state?
    Because its a lie.

    They aren't defending anything because there isn't anything to defend. What they are doing is exposing the ongoing constant BS claims made by leftist propaganda.
    Kind of like
    Kavanaugh is an alcoholic high school serial rapist
    The Covington Catholic kids are all racist
    Georgia has implemented Jim Crow voting laws. Even your own leftist media called that one out with the highest lie rating they can give it lol
    There is no crisis on the border while 14,000 kids are crammed into facilities reaching 1600% capacity and the media is ordered not to go there.

    Only the most dedicated narrowminded liberal with blinders on gets sucked into this stuff anymore. Most who got egg on their face time and time again finally walked away from these kinds of claims.
     
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    You're not paying attention. Of course there are many places. But when Desantis was helping set up these popup clinics there were only a couple of places: Publix, and some stadiums... I think also CVS.

    For example, in this location they applied 1000 shots a day, when there were over a hundred thousand seniors, teachers, first responders and medical personnel... trying to get it. And Publix, CVS and some hospitals had shots for a handful a week. That was at the same time that those who lived in Desantis-blessed gated communities had to do to get one was to get to their clubhouse. While those not in Desantis' donor list had to camp out to get their shots.

    https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando...tside-of-daytona-stadium-for-covid-19-vaccine
     
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    Nope... You agree with the point I'm making in this thread, even though your logic is flawed. I'll take your endorsement, though. Even a broken clock gives the right time twice a day.
     
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    What an incredible non issue.

    Clinics pop up in gated communities in a state that's number two in the number of gated communities. Where else would they pop up? California is number one in gated communities. Is Newsom putting up road blocks to prevent people in gated communities from getting vaccines? Are we not going to agree that people in gated communities should have access to the vaccine?
     
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    You just gotta laugh at the lib/prog/socialists who ignorantly thinkbelieve that because this group(s) of old people are getting their shots that it is keeping others from getting theirs.

    How pathetic can they get!
     
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    Yikes. Don't look at the data regarding mortality by income level. That data suggests vaccinating the very poor and the very rich, leaving most in the middle alone...

    Could it be the older you get, the more financially stable you tend to become?
     
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    The issue is the government is giving priority to gated communities because those gated communities are donors to members of the government. Kinda want to eliminate political corruption.
     
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    Is that all they are? Or are they also high risk elderly?
     
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    Why would anyone want the rich elderly to die? Are they after an inheritance?
     
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    Frankly I'm glad they kept the old elderly in the gated communities off the streets.

    Have you seen how they drive?

    It's not pretty.
     
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    Do all high risk elderly live in gated communities?
     
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    Are gated communities the only places vaccines were offered?
     
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    Yeah basically.

    OP's source:
    "Gov. Ron DeSantis and others stand accused of allowing residents of upscale communities to cut in line. The governor was personally involved in coordinating two pop-up clinics in Manatee and Charlotte counties in communities developed by his donors, while other clinics were held in developments where donors had shelled out big contributions to the governor.

    Beyond political favoritism concerns, the pop-up clinics raise questions about how state and local officials made decisions about where to dole out the vaccine. It’s often unclear how certain communities were chosen, and whether organization, persistence or connections – typically traits of wealthier communities – trumped public health strategy. Community leaders at a number of developments that received state-run private vaccine clinics said there was no formal application process; they simply were aggressive in lobbying state and local government officials, and it paid off."
     
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    The hit pieces on the Governor that did it right just keep coming from our depraved MSM. He used the most accessible and #1 trusted company in Florida to distribute the vaccine. That's leadership. You dolts should be thanking him, but the MSM Democratic Party propaganda owns you and it is repeated without critical thought.
     
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    Says the person who says "MSM Democratic Party propaganda". Pretty hard to convince people that they're sheeple when you're the one grazing out in the fields.
     
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    That's not what that "basically" says. Probably because that's not "basically" what happened.

    Here's another article from Feb 5th.

    https://www.wftv.com/news/health/st...-month-data-shows/P3EXOZV325BBFDVSJYQ4HVYLQM/

    Vaccines started distribution in the middle of December. 25% coverage in a month and a half is pretty damned impressive. Of course if you read your article it "basically" says:

    That was happening in December. Before the posh got their popups in January... That's how they got to 25% so rapidly.
     
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    What does that have anything to do with what I posted? Simply saying there were local locations to get vaccines doesn't mean the roll out wasn't used for corrupt purposes. You can have a bucket to catch rainwater in sure, but that doesn't say anything about all the holes in it.
     
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    You're not mad the rich got preferential treatment, because they didn't. The state was rapidly deploying vaccines to all seniors faster than the rest of the country. California, for example, didn't start vaccinating people 65 and older until the middle of January.

    You're mad because the media told you there was something nefarious about old people getting the vaccine to a virus that kills old people.

    Talk about easily outraged.
     
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    New York didn't start with people 60 and older until March 17
     
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    While the rest of the country was vaccinating healthy workers, Florida was vaccinating at risk seniors.

    And that makes you mad.
     
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    So rapidly deploying vaccines to its most vulnerable wealthy donors? I shouldn't be outraged over that? Madness would apply if you actually were getting on it, but you're not. Keep trying to get water with your bucket.
     
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    You've confused not understanding you with not agreeing with you. This is identity politics. You've latched on to the idea that these people are wealthy. That's their identity to you. I'm pointing out that they are vulnerable. For me, the government didn't give priority to wealthy people. They gave priority to seniors over 65. The general fact is that older people are generally more wealthy. It's a fact of life. It takes time to accumulate capital. Another general fact is that seniors over 65 are far more likely to experience fatal consequences of contracting the disease. It makes sense to target people in that group, and the fact that they are also wealthy is irrelevant to the problem trying to be addressed. You say they prioritized wealthy people. I say they prioritized the people most likely to die. Both are true, but only one matters when determining the best course of action to protect people likely to die.

    I've shown you that Florida opened up vaccinations to ALL seniors, wealthy and not wealthy alike in December; months before other states. I've shown you that they concentrated mobile vaccination providers in areas where seniors live. They placed large facilities with large capacity in areas where seniors were spread out, and they placed small facilities in areas where seniors were grouped together: like gated communities. Interestingly enough, this information was included in the source you referenced. This resulted in a rapid deployment of vaccines for seniors.

    Do you have a problem with that strategy? Would you have been happier if a non targeted strategy produced a slower distribution of vaccinated seniors? You realize that more poor seniors are at risk of dying in this scenario?
     
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