Army officer sues Virginia police over violent traffic stop

Because they couldn't tell him why he was being stopped. If a cop acted like that towards me without telling me why, and told me to get out of my vehicle, I'd tell him to get bent too. I have very high regard for police officers, but I will not tolerate authoritarianism in my public servants when I have done nothing wrong and they cannot tell me why I am being stopped. They are not gods.

 

He didn't just drive away. And there was no reasonable suspicion to detain him for anything. He was pulled over by crooked cops who threatened him with lethal force and then told him that he should be scared of what happens if he obeys their orders. Can you not address any of this?

 

The hell it isn't. If they are going to stop someone, they can damn well tell them why.

 

Wrong. They continually switched between keep your hands outside the window and get out. One of the officers then said to unbuckle (reach) your seat belt. Many "suspects" have been shot just doing that. I see you are adding your "facts" to this case as well, your MO - there was never an indication that he was going to drive off

 

Nope, they tell them why he was being stopped, give him a chance to explain himself. If at that point they believe he comitted a crime, then they can detain him or whatever they want to do. This guy did not drive off. He put his flashers on, and stopped at a well lit area like any sensible person would do, and asked why he was being stopped like any sensible person would do. If they didn't want to tell them, then as far as I am concerned, it is over and he can leave.

 

What you are saying is he did not have to get out.
Their reasonable suspicion increased with his refusal to exit in a well-lit area. You have the right to be secure from unreasonable searches not to hide your face under a Klan hood in Georgia, or hide in your car, or refuse to come out. It should be easy to find legal opinions and opinions of lawyers, that he did not have to come out, if that was true; You have presented nothing to back up that he did not have to come out.

 

That's the point. Some of them lose the ability to connect with people on a respectful level. I was traveling through CO several years and was pulled over for an extended search. The TSA agent asked me to open my bag. I had to reach over it since the zipper was on her side. She grabbed it and yelled in my face about not touching the bag. How the heck do you open a bag without touching it. When she yanked it, all my belongings were spilled onto the floor behind her. I was in shock and just watching this in disbelief. Her co-workers could see she was way over the top irrational and started picking up my items. She didn't stop there. She called the police (they are stationed in the airport) and tried to have me arrested. She was making up all kinds of nonsense but he didn't buy it. He even said something to the effect of "The only person I see screaming is you." Her co-workers placed my items in the bag and the cop escorted me to my gate to protect me FROM the nut.

Nurses and doctors have to go to additional training ever so often to keep their licenses. I would love for something like that to be implemented for law enforcement officers. Some of them are so used to seeing bad guys they have forgotten that everyone is not one and a little bit of diplomacy can go a long way.

 

There was no reasonable suspicion of anything. Yes, I have presented things to back up my claim that he did not have to come out. All you've done is pretend to not have read it and then fling made up **** about Klan members and me being a murderer. I can smell the desperation from here.

 

What are you another Southern DEmocrat racist?

 

Are You Breaking The Law By Refusing A Police Officer's Request To Exit Your Car? (motor1.com)
I could do that all day long, you can't because you have nothing like this:

"In our current climate, it's important to know what the law says and what your rights are. If an officer requests that you exit your vehicle, are you breaking the law if you refuse? In the US, no. No laws are broken if the officer says, “Would you mind stepping out of the car, ma'am?” and you say, “No, thank you.”

However, if an officer orders you out of the car and you refuse, you can be arrested for refusing to obey an officer's lawful order. The specific crime will depend upon the local statute's verbiage, but it will probably be something like “disobeying a peace officer” or “obstructing a peace officer.”

No laws are broken if the officer says, “Would you mind stepping out of the car, ma'am?”

An officer's authority to order a driver out of a vehicle at the officer's discretion comes from the US Supreme Court's ruling in Pennsylvania v. Mimms, 434 U.S. 106 (1977). That authority was extended to include ordering a passenger out of a vehicle in Maryland v. Wilson, 519 U.S. 408 (1997).

Note that the officer is not required to have probable cause or even reasonable suspicion of another crime before ordering a vehicle's occupant(s) out of the car."

 

Yea outside car as ordered and then he started arguing with the police over whether he had to comply with their lawful orders.

 

I have something better: the actual decision itself. Which I quoted for you. And you refuse to read.

 

HE created the standstill, so they were just supposed to let him drive away as he refused their commands? Were they just supposed to stand their all night until maybe had had to go to the bathroom?

Follow the lawful orders of the police.

 

I didn't refuse to read it, but I would expect your kind to say that.

 

Why should he have to get out if they wouldn't tell him why he was being stopped? I'm not going to obey a police officer's orders if they can't tell me why. They have zero authority if no crime has been committed.

 

I read the case cited and the the order to exit a vehicle has to come from someone being legally detained and legal detention requires a reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime has been committed. You seem to think a cop can just pull someone over and demand they exit their vehicle at the whim of the cop.

 

He obviously was attempting to prevent handcuffs. I've on a couple of occasions put my hands behind my back, make it easy for them.

Those open-minded to increasing the deaths of black people by telling them they can refuse officers and resist arrest are sick.

 

And I would expect nonsensical non-arguments like digs about "your kind" instead of actually reading it and addressing what it says. Logical fallacies are a lot easier than actual logic, I guess.

 

Okay fine, YOU refuse the order to get out, because YOU have tried the case, interviewed both officers, watched their camera's on the live feed in real time on your car's tv, and found that the officers pointing a gun at YOU in real time don't have reasonable articulable suspicion. JUst don't tell other people to do it because you are going to kill some of them.

 

And you'll likely never have the police approach you guns drawn aimed at you because they didn't look for temp tags on your new car. It's easy to claim what you'd have done when it won't happen to you.

 

Every law firm out there knows exactly what it says, Get the fracking hell out of the car if the police order it. Quit trying to kill more black people.

 

If you are being lawfully detained on reasonable suspicion of a crime, sure. That's the part you refuse to read because it is bad for you argument. And since your argument is failing again, I'll bet we are going to get to more made up racebaiting bull ****.

There it is! Like clockwork.

 

Worse, the Lt had a legal gun in the car. Had he reached towards the console to release his seat belt and one of the cops sees the gun his family would be the ones sueing.

 

1. Armed police should not be involved in routine traffic stops.
2. The cops should have asked for his license and registration instead of ordering him to get out of his car.

 

Absent evidence of a crime they should have let him go.