Minnesota police shoot, kill man after traffic stop incident

There is a reasonable expectation that anybody the cops encounter is armed in the US.

Medical experts said that Floyd heart was healthy, and his drug use did not kill him, but Chauvin did. Cops who took the stand all agree that Chauvin is in the wrong with putting his weight on a persons neck like that, while he already is in cuffs. A cop simply may not apply any use of force when a person is complying, and Chauvin added 3 more minutes after Floyd last breath. A cop may also simply not use deadly force if there is no danger to their lives or other peoples lives from the culprit... and Floyd being in cuffs posed no danger at all. Chauvin simply refused to apply what he was trained to do, breached police standards and subsequently killed a person for no reason.

You're liable if you accidentally back up your car against an other car, but in this case... we're talking about a life that mattered.

A blame with deadly consequences.

Actually. Research in body camera's showed that cops approach black people far more negatively from the start and are the cause of that.

That is... they get arrested over it. Black people get +300% more arrest over drug offenses. Have a wild who deals and sells more drugs, Buri.
Who they arrest means nothing about who does the crime. Most crimes go unsolved.

Talking about unsafe/unworthy/unqualified....
In this case, we got fool who got paid to carry a gun for public safety, and accidentally killed a person.
The job security of that cop doesn't matter. A life does. In this case, a black life.

 

Are single parent families more common among minorities in inner cities? I know poverty is six times higher among children in single parent homes. I beg to differ with you on your 9 out of ten comment. I believe there are probably 200% more teenage murders in inner cities than in suburbia. If what you said was true.....that wouldn't hold.

 

No need for you to reiterate all that, since I made no argument against any of it. I only mentioned that it was the misdemeanor charge of not having a gun license because, initially, you'd claimed it was a felony warrant and, even in your, "correction," you didn't mention that it was for a misdemeanor charge, only that it was a, "weapons charge," which, to the average ear, sounds like something serious, so was a potentially misleading way of putting it.

As I would imagine you realize, it is not the, "technique," that Chauvin used which is really at issue, it is how he used it, specifically the length of time he employed it. Every police officer testifying, that I've heard, has said that Chauvin's using it for 9 minutes, on a person in cuffs, & in the prone position-- which the police all seemed to understand, restricts a person's breathing-- beyond the point when Floyd was resisting, in fact three minutes beyond the point when he had lost CONSCIOUSNESS, is NOT PROPER POLICE BEHAVIOR! So I guess you have a difference of opinion with all of them, as well?

Can you see why your viewpoint comes across as being unjustly pro-officer? The way those officers used those techniques, could have killed ANYONE. And, as no medical expert has testified that Floyd's levels of narcotics indicated he would have been expected to die, what you, "feel," about Floyd having killed himself, is nothing more than a story you tell yourself to justify Chauvin's abuse of his police authority. These are the kinds of people who should not be allowed into, or at least who should be expelled from, law enforcement, once their nature becomes disclosed. This is part of the problem which you ignore. The fraternal bonds between officers clearly help protect those who, "bend," the rules. It is to your credit that you admit this police-woman's inability to competently handle her duties, but she'd been on the force for 26 years. Is this really the first time she's panicked?
While being a police officer is a great service to the community, it also comes with great responsibility, upon those who choose this career-path.

10 times more likely than a white person, is what you left out of your statistic. But in that data, 0% of escalations (or thereabouts) are attributed TO POLICE! Therefore, what the data only truly shows, is that a black, in an interaction with police, is ten times more likely than a white (or non-black?) person, to have the situation, "escalate." This stat is in no way inconsistent with the idea that police are often the ones escalating situations, specifically against black people. (I reiterate, not all police).

The reason the problem will never completely disappear is that police officers come from American society. So if there is racism in the society-- & there is, to greater or lesser degrees, in all societies-- then people harboring racist feelings will always be part of the pool of candidates, for the police force.

Unless you can cite some source, to back up your statement that the whole of those who, "should not have that job (of police officer)," were hires forced upon the police, through affirmative action, then your statements are but an indication of your own PREJUDICES.
I am sure there has never been a law passed, or a regulation instituted, that has compelled any police force to put UNQUALIFIED candidates into UNIFORM.

Lastly, if you hadn't noticed, the vast majority of officers whose behavior is at the center of, "these things," who end up killing people in mundane interactions, in which many in society find their conduct questionable, are white & male.
(This is not my saying that white men don't make good officers; since they are the vast majority of cops, it only makes sense that they would have the most complaints, and supply most of law enforcement's bad apples. I am only noting how ridiculous your notion, that it's only the, "diversity hires"-- women & minorities-- who are behind all, or even an inordinantly large share, of the questionable incidents of police using lethal force).

 

I don't think she was including that last minute and yes is was purely a mistake as her body cam shows. Are you seriously contending she thought she could kill him with a TASER which she thought she pulled? How do you intend to kill someone with a TASER?

 

So then, by your opinion, the black male just decided to not value family values and that's the reason blacks are in the position they find themselves today?
OK, you have more insight than I would have.

Do you think the things done in the Jim Crow era aided in the break up of black families?
Tell someone long enough they are no good, and soon they will start believing that.

There was also a period called redlining. Where money just wasn't available to black communities due to racist policies. So there was no money to develop and maintain communities. I think that had a large effect.

Also, I've seen some of the sentences black men received in regards to drug charges. 15-20 yrs or longer for what is considered today as fairly minor offenses of possession or usage.
The males were taken out of the families by the system. IMO.

But I appreciate you giving your opinion.

EDIT:
Also lack of money means lack of resource to give a good education. And segregation kept blacks from leaving no money zones to go to money zones and get a good education.
Education is a key, IMO, to any group advancing.

 

Believe it or not Def, on this subject I have come around more to tat way of thinking. I was really angry at first when I saw the Floyd killing on the News. Then the media as always over reached. Can't speak for every white person but me, when I see them over reach, I react and get defensive. It makes sense to ALWAYS hear both sides out in every case. Media does not give us time to do that. They always report and race is the headliner. When a human dies....shouldn't that be about the same value as the color of their hair or eyes? That is what I mean. They have a particular narrative they desire to promote and their first shot is ALWAYS race.

My other thought . If we are to really be concerned about "saving lives" which everyone at least pretends, then we should shout from the rooftops that every individual should first comply with officers (just for the sake of law and order) and then if treated unjustly, that's when we use our energy....in court! That, I realize is a big task. If we look to the gang and drug culture as our peers, it will appear to be the "sissy" thing to do, but it has to be done. Racism, I will contend, is not the common thread in any of these killings. It is resisting arrest!

 

LBJ and his plan.

 

I see there's still protesting going on tonight.

Over a fricken accident..

 

race has nothing to do with this

why do you want to condemn all blacks?

 

Considering what happened to the beauty supply place I wonder if that could affect the Black-Asian alliance:

 

what exactly does the taxpayer owe these people?

its bad enough whites have to pay for illegals.

 

most of pop culture comes from hollywood, jews are free market capitalists.

'the black community' should stop making excuses and get a job

 

in the olden days this jerk would have been in prison instead of being worshipped

national guard would have been called, taxpayers are getting shafted

 

To most it's a fun day out and to a small percentage of those it's a free shopping trip

 

He’s what’s known as a runner or a rabbit in old police terminology. He was a 20 year old kid and this dumb bitch shot him in the back and killed him. We need to revamp police departments throughout this nation ASAP. We have a bunch of dangerous, mean, scared and badly trained idiots running around America today. It is time for for some real change in law enforcement right now.

 

Flooding of the USA with cocaine starting in the 1980’s by CIA military transport then militarization of police agencies which have targeted inner city blacks and other poor people. It was all done by design.

 

What is disturbing is how almost anything can be used as an "reason" for theft and arson, and that the vocabulary used for talking about it implicitly accepts such rioting is justifiable.

 

'bad black people' means the opposite of nothing to do with race.

 

He was a grade A scumbag! American police are some of the finest in the world and put up with stuff that no one else has to.

Oh spare us the black helicopters!

This is a tragic case, this poor girl will lose her job and probably do 5 years. But she's only 26, out at 31, plenty of time to start a second career and have a family.

 

27 million taxpayer dollars to a jive clown who didn't follow orders, high on fentanyl, counterfeited cash

they are squeezing the government teat for every dime again

 

This "following orders" stuff is getting a little old. Respect works both ways, and this tendency for the police to talk to citizens as if they were Marine recruits is unacceptable. As the son of a retired police officer, the life of a "cop" is not foreign to me. He was one of the really good ones, who had the marvelous idea that the policeman (person?) was there to help people. What a concept!

 

Yes, she said every minute.....you sure resume a lot on her part....seems rather patronizing and sexist...

Uh, her body cam shows it was the wrong weapon, NOT that she made a mistake....there is a difference if you think about it...you sure resume a lot on her part....seems rather patronizing and sexist...