Derek Chauvin Murder Trial is on

I do not pass judgement on several moments of any video. I pass judgement from the moment the cops got called to deal with crime and them apprehended the accused criminal. As it happens, no field test is available to cops to use on a person who is powerful who keeps putting up a severe struggle.
Floyd died due to acts he did, not acts done by one cop or several of them.

Chauvin had a very competent defense. I will be shocked if he is convicted.

 

I too will be surprised if he is convicted......but not because of an excellent defense. The victim is not on trial ........ but but assassinating the character of the victim plays well for the deference......in a very ugly way.. It has to make good television too. BTW: his so called medical condition was not lethal. or urgent. The biggest contributor to the death of the victim was Dereks PROLONGED knee on neck/ throat.
Cops should be folks the people can go to for help....

 

Of the murder charge? Quite possibly. The negligence related charges? And there are two of them open to the jury, much less likely.

 

Maybe if Floyd had not resisted arrest but just got in the car and told them of his breathing problems he might have gotten medical attention.

 

Maybe. But then maybe he panicked........and went into the "fight or flight" mode. Maybe the police should just be more aware of how peple can react.......in a crisis. A lot of maybe's and "what if's " ,aren't thee?? The police should have a lot more psychology ......and human behavior in their training.
Holding a suspect in that knee to neck/ throat mode for a PROLONGED period of time is just sadistic too. And THAT is troublesome.

 

Thanks but no thanks. The law is the law and what ex-officer Chauvin did was brutal and it was that Floyd was cuffed and couldn't move. It was a merciless killing and that's all I'm going to say. You may say it's legal but I don't agree with it and I won't and that's all I'm going to say for now.

 

I just found out on use of knee on neck and there is some use for it but the Chauvin did it was out and out brutal and that is the bottom line.
https://www.kare11.com/article/news...floyd/89-9f002e3f-972a-4410-86cb-50a1237fc496

 

It was brutal and sadistic. and well into "overkill"

 

Enough said. You said it all.

 

One of the prosecution ones. There was ALOT of reasonable doubt which came out of his testimony. Do you think that Chauvin is guilty of murder beyond a reasonable doubt?

 

In the post which you replied to with this reply of yours which I have quoted above, I posted the link to the post which contained the video. Did you miss it?

 

I don't think the witness talked about CO POISONING did he?

 

Did the expert witness give a specific percentage of CO level?

 

Isn't the blood test the toxicology report?

 

Perhaps you should listen to the trial?

 

How about grow up?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...george-floyd-s-death-homicide-blames-n1263670
Medical examiner who ruled George Floyd's death a homicide blames police pressure for his death

 

Chauvin did not struggle with Floyd, since he could even put his hands in his pants.... WHEN he put his knee in his neck.
The guy even stopped breathing for the last 3 minutes. So you know... you're faking that a dead corpse is putting up a struggle.

There were numerous cops who took the stand and they all called out that Chauvin went far over the line.
There was only 1 ex-cop who testified on behave of Chauvin, and he said that the restraint did not lead to his death.
Guess what. He's not a medical expert to make such a call.

 

The fact is, that the medical expert who looked at the body says that Chauvin killed Floyd. While the medical expert never saw the body even drags in CO-poisoning, while the fact is that his CO-level was well within what is normal. It's a paid idiot they put up.

By looking how Chauvin is leaning into it and seeing he got one foot off the ground. His weight really doesn't disappear.

You do not know what you're talking about. APA and HRW note that in fields that white people are the bigger criminals, that black people get arrested +300% more often. There simply is a disproportionate approach of police force to arrest black people and ignore the crimes committed by white people. Same thing is done with people being pulled over. %-wise, white people do have the most infractions with the law, yet black people are pulled over astronomically more often. A black person can not even escape this as an active soldier when for no reason at all, guns are drawn, pepperspray is used, beaten, to be illegally detained... to than get extorted in not pressing charges for what the thugs did to him, while they still got zero reason to arrest him. This behavior is exactly on par with APA and HRW.

You say that quack reality while I posted the medical examiner basically saying Chauvin is a killer and his drug abuse and heart condition does not matter.

The deadly force according to the medical examiner who looked at his body personally calls it a homicide. The defense team only got an idiot rambling nonsense in favor of a dirty cop who cheated the government in paying taxed over half a million bucks of income.

 

Excellent stuff, they defence should demo this in the courtroom, even demonstrate it on the jury members

Thank you for admitting you have no leg to stand on and are desperately flannelling! I obviously know much more about the case than you, didn't you watch the footage? Yes and MPD can still be sued on other grounds and wants to shift the blame onto Chauvin exclusively. You called the ambulance for a medical emergency but continued to restrain the suspect using a recommended technique in case he was playing possum. What footage did YOU watch? The whole thrust of the defence case is that Floyd died through his drug abuse and resisting arrest. But so the CO affected Floyd but not Chauvin. Yes, the expert is being fraudulently sued by the family of another dead criminal for daring to contradict their viewpoint with his facts.

Which medical expert? The prosecution's or the defence's? Why believe one over the other? You cannot tell how much pressure he is putting down just because his foot is off the ground. Black people are not treated disproportionately by the justice system as they commit more VIOLENT crime. If anything by playing the race card they get a free pass so much of the time, look at how the Capitol rioters are being treated in comparison with those in Portland etc

Because that is what the prosecution wants. I agree with you, sometimes when a suspect refuses to testify on their behalf it makes them look guilty but lawyers have years of courtroom experience and can run rings around witnesses even experienced officers such as Chauvin, if you look at OJ etc their lawyers never let them near the stand.

 

The knee of that vid is on the ear, not in the neck. Floyd also had an other person on his chest. The vid is exceptionally short. Floyd had over 9 minutes. The vid also says people die because of this, but doesn't think a cop is to blame but because of medical or drug reasons. The guy is not a medic. That you can speak, while being suffocated like that, is a thing you can do. It was explained during the trial.

"excellent stuff" indeed. Anything else?

There was only 1 medical expert who saw the body and took the stand. He said Chauvin killed Floyd. The defense expert never saw the body. He was keen to toss in CO-poisoning, while it's known the blood values say such a thing is not the case. The guy is a paid stooge who never looked into it.

I already responded to this that you can. You're ignoring that.

The American psychological Association say there is evidence there there is racism at many level and it's a systemic problem.
Nobody cares about your opinion that it's not the case. Your opinion means nothing.

 

I think it is different. There is a 'blood gas' test, but apparently the carbon monoxide readings were never requested, and therefore not included in the report. Then they tried to argue that 98% oxygen saturation means that max CO reading could be 2% which is normal in any circumstance. Either way the judge said the prosecution already 'rested' which means additional evidence can no longer be presented. They broke the rules by trying it, which is why the judge mentioned the possibility of mistrial.

 

Knee on his throat? You know that isn't what happened. keep it real.

 

The pulmonogist reiterated what the autopsy report showed. That the O2 saturation level was 98%. That means all non-oxygen levels could not exceed 2%. Normal CO level in everyone's bloodstream is 1%-3% so any CO level in Floyd's bloodstream was within normal parameters. That would make it impossible for Floyd to have died from CO poisoning and not anywhere within the CO levels suggested by the defense's expert witness.

I'm not sure which one you're referring to but all the expert witnesses for the prosecution corroborated each other's testimony. It's not about any one testimony being perfect or not, it's about taking all the evidence and testimony and common sense into consideration. There will never be perfection in anyone's testimony because the defense will always try to raise doubt for the purpose of getting what is wanted out of the jury.

It's not about what I think, that's irrelevant in terms of this case. Having said that, there is not iota of a doubt that Chauvin murdered Floyd. The key evidence (all the video evidence taken at multiple angles) is indisputable. All the other evidence and testimony merely confirms the video evidence.

 

Sure son. I had to look up the word "flanneling". It's a British term meaning "the use of bland fluent talk to avoid addressing a difficult subject or situation directly". So I was correct, you're not from the US. So what's your stake in this trial?

Yeah I can tell from your posts the level of what you know. I watched all the video footage that I'm aware of.

On what grounds? I don't blame the MPD for wanting to shift the blame onto Chauvin, he is fully responsible for his actions and inactions that were wholly contrary to his training. That was made quite clear at the trial.

A knee to the neck for 9:29 minutes is not a recommended technique anywhere in the US. That was the testimony of Chauvin's superiors, trainers and the use of force expert witnesses. You're making crap up as you seem to do incessantly. The "possum" was dead about 3 mins before Chauvin took his knees off Floyd.

All of the footage that was shown.

Somewhat, everything except the reality, that Chauvin sucked the life out of Floyd.

The ME report proved that Floyd had normal saturation levels of CO in his blood (2% maximum).

Inventing your own personal narrative from thin air as usual. You know nothing about the case and haven't studied it, that's quite obvious. But feel free to post the link to all the evidence and testimony in the civil suit if you believe the above has anything to do with reality. Preferably in a separate thread since this one is about the Chauvin murder case.