Ukraine: Far-right activists mark 78th anniversary of Ukrainian SS division in capitel Kiev

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  1. Grau

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    While I abhor all forms of totalitarianism, Hitler's military was, strangely enough, the most racially, ethnically & nationally diverse military force in modern times.
    It was not only the Ukrainians who joined Hitler's ranks but Franks, Spaniards, Arabs, Asians, Blacks, Slavs and even 150,000 Jews who fought along with Germans against Communism.


    "Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?"
    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102

    EXCERPTS " I ask those historians who still believe that Hitler and the Nazis were “white supremacists”: how do you account for the incredible degree of non-German and ethnic minority (i.e., 150,000 Jews and Jewish Mischlinge) collaboration during World War II? Again, some two million non-Germans helped the Nazis.

    The important thing to realize is that had the Nazis been as racist as most historians have argued, then they could not possibly have garnered the immeasurable level of support that they did. Even after Stalingrad; Spaniards, Slavs, Franks, and tens of- thousands of other non-Germans continued to fight for the Nazis on a volunteer basis. Frenchmen and Arab volunteers gave their lives in the final fight for the capital of Berlin in 1945. Hitler continued to allow thousands of Jewish men to serve, and many did so with incredible tenacity and valor. One has to call into question whether all of these Jewish men and other non-Germans were really as opposed to the Nazi regime as they have claimed after the fact. Their tenacity and determination suggests otherwise in many cases. The Jewish soldiers Bernhard Rogge, Helmuth Wilberg, Erhard Milch, and Ernst Prager come to mind.

    The Nazis never racially segregated their troops. Blacks, Slavs, Asians, and Arabs fought shoulder-to-shoulder with Germans.

    At least two million non-German foreigners and ethnic minorities served in Hitler’s armed forces at one point or another. Without foreign and non-German help, the Germans never would have had their Western defenses prepared in time for the Allied invasion. Let us think about two things here.

    Hitler’s Wehrmacht-Waffen SS combination was the most culturally, ethnically, and religiously diverse military force in Western history. In spite of this fact, we are all supposed to believe he was a hyper-racist (my own term) like some other Nazis."CONTINUED
     
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    No, it was the criminal Khruschev that gave Crimea to Ukraine, but since the USSR didn't have nation/states at the time, the Russians didn't pay that much attention.

    First of all there was no Orange revolution in Ukraine since the protesters came only from the Western part of Ukraine, and not from the rest of Ukraine that had always been a part of Russia and were criminally handed to Ukraine by Lenin. Kiev was a coup financed by the West and brought about by Victoria Nuland. All the protesters were on a Western payroll.

    The only nation that ever occupied Crimea other than the Ottomans, was Ukraine. But Washington won't tell you that because it's not politically expedient. They had plans made up since 2011 to oust the Russians and put a Nato base in Sevastopol - with a complete disregard towards the will of the people living there.

    When the Russian inhabitants of Crimea cried for help so they could hold a referendum, there was no way Vladimir Putin was going to allow ethic cleansing and genocide towards the Russians. In the referendum they voted to join Russia as protection from Kiev.

    Crimea was a legal, democratic and secular state in 1992, and its relationship with Ukraine was based on bilateral agreements. In 1995 Ukrainian special ops forces and Ukrainian Army troops invaded Crimea and annexed the territory.

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/03/28/ukraine-annexed-crimea-1990s/
    This is why the Crimean people voted to join Russia for protection:
     
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    Come on! Do you really believe what you're posting? Hitler's anger at the League of Nations was that there were people in it as inferior as the Czechs. This doesn't mean there weren't Czechs in the German army - but only after their heads were measured to make sure they weren't Slavs.

    As for being the most diverse, I think that should go to the British army, since their army had many from their colonies. They were
    separate units though, because the British were very racist.
     
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    What are you talking about? Hitler liberated people by killing them? You're beginning to sound more and more like Washington.
     
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    You are, I take it, very pro-Putin. Ukraine joined the USSR in 1922. Khrushchev, I believe, was a Ukrainian who became head of the USSR Federation and the Communist Party, both of whom approved the transfer of the Crimea to Ukraine. Ukraine left the USSR and became independent in 1991, with the break-up of the USSR (Soviet Union).
     
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    Hitler was the LAST European Christian leader who had the will, ability and courage to stand up and fight against the evil perverted antichrist mass-murdering marxists/bolsheviks!

    Over 75 years after Hitler's demise... antichrist marxists still constantly demonize Hitler with their evil BIG LIES... to make sure NO EUROPEAN LEADER EVER DARES TO STAND UP AGAIN AGAINST EVIL ANTICHRIST MARXISTS AND THEIR PERVERTED CULTURAL MARXISM.

    After WW2, every world leader has kowtowed to the evil perverted antichrist cultural marxists enabling marxists to take over the planet.

    Or as Met Lavr has been quoted as saying back in the 1980s...

    Adolph Hitler was the last Wall against the coming of the Antichrist.

    In Biblical terms... Hitler was the LAST to restrain the evil antichrist lawlessness!


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    Have any pictures of him in church or praying? Maybe one of him leading a mass rally in prayer?
     
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    I don't have a photo of ME in church. But I don't attend church anymore because most all of them have become cultural marxist abominations.

    I have books containing photos of Hitler and I've seen others on the internet.

    Some photos show Hitler visiting memorials that have crosses or attending public memorial services with huge crosses.

    There are photos of Hitler and his inner circle celebrating Christmas.

    Hitler was raised Catholic. There are photos of Hitler meeting with Catholic priests, bishops, etc and Catholic priests, etc making Hitler salutes.

    Hitler liked to paint historic churches [he was an excellent artist.]

    In Mein Kampf, Hitler said he was doing the "Lord's Work"

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    No...I don't deny that.....but I know many Russians think that Holocaust,Holodomor,moon landing is a hoax.
     
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    He ordered the murder of millions of people. Don't know about your God, but that's not my God's work.
     
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    Excuse me, but Hitler was demonically possessed. Where do you think his power came from?

     
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    Ironic how the evil perverted antichrist marxist BIG LIE works!

    It was STALIN who ordered the mass-murder of multiple millions of Christians !!

    As Putin says... "Stalin won WW2"... so Stalin's evil antichrist marxist victors get to write the history. And the gullible believe it. And if you don't believe the marxist BIG LIE... in many countries, marxists send you to prison.

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    Ah...didn't realize Putin was pushing revisionist history on Stalin, who was responsible for the purges of the thirties and the gulags, also leading to the deaths of millions.
     
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    Putin has taken the glorification of Stalin and Stalin's WW2 victory to a whole new level. It has become a bizarre new religion. He recently built a huge new military "church" that glorifes Stalin's victory. Captured WW2 German tanks were melted and incorporated in the structure of the church.

    Of course, Putin never mentions the evil antichrist marxtist/bolshevik murder of Russia's Tsar and royal family. He never mentions Stalin's desecration and destruction of churches or Stalin's mass-murder of millions of Christian martyrs.

    But Putin did publicly mention something interesting... He said 85% of the first bolshevik government was NOT Christian or ethnic Russian. Apparently he's proud of that too.

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    Interesting. Anti-semitism?
     
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    Putin?

    He wallows with Edomites.

    “I thought about something just now: The decision to nationalize this library was made by the first Soviet government, whose composition was 80-85 percent Jewish,” Putin said June 13 during a visit to Moscow’s Jewish Museum and Tolerance Center.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/putin-first-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish/

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    The Nazis pretty much defines what a racist is, but of course they welcomed foreigners to serve as cannon fodder in the Eastern front, and the foreigners didn't sign up because they loved the Nazis, but because they hated the communists.

    Far from it. He said Christianity was fit only for slaves, along with many other things which demonstrated he loathed Christianity. If there ever was a demonically influenced regime, it was Hitler and his willing executioners.

    He used religion when convenient, but at other times he made it clear he thought Christian beliefs were nothing short of absurd.
     
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    Yes, I do believe the source I quoted because it is consistent with other sources I've read as well as accounts I've heard from German WW 2 Veterans.

    If for no other reason, there was enough widespread opposition to Stalin's brutal Communism to compel people of many diverse backgrounds to fight with the Germans against that same spreading Communism.

    It also makes sense that if Hitler and the German High Command would allow 150,000 Jews to fight for Germany(1), they would allow people of other backgrounds to serve in Germany's military.

    I think that it is also noteworthy that many of the Jews who served in Hitler's military rose to the highest ranks and received Germany's highest military honors.
    Oddly enough, Hitler even honored Jewish WW 1 Veterans(2) who were not only in Germany at the time.

    I don't know about other religious, ethnic or national groups but I think think that Hitler was conflicted about the Jews.
    On one hand, I believe he hated influential Jewish bankers & Jewish Communists but on the other hand he liked some Jews on an individual basis(3), (4)




    (1)“Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards (kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED


    (2) “When Hitler Honored Jewish Soldiers”
    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-when-hitler-honored-jewish-soldiers-1.5254336

    EXCERPT “The Nazi regime conferred honors on many of the 100,000 Jews who fought in the German army in the Great War, even on some who had already escaped to Palestine.” CONTINUED


    (3) “5 Jews Hitler Actually Liked”
    https://historyofyesterday.com/5-jews-hitler-actually-liked-c702217e1aa5

    EXCERPT “Surprisingly, during this time in his life, Hitler also had extremely good relationships with Jewish people. At his house in Vienna, almost all of his friends were Jewish, with Josef Neumann being the closest.

    And when Hitler took over Germany, he spared some of his old Jewish friends, kept some in his party, and even formed new friendships.” CONTINUED



    (4) "Remarkable tale of Hitler's young Jewish friend"
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46192941

    EXCERPT "According to the auction website, Rosa and her mother had joined the crowds outside Hitler's Alpine retreat Berghof in 1933 on his birthday.

    It is thought that when he discovered Rosa had the same birthday, he invited Rosa and her mother Karoline up to the house - where these photographs were taken.

    Not long afterwards, it was discovered that Karoline's mother had been Jewish, making Rosa Jewish in the eyes of the Nazi state

    [Image captionHitler continued the friendship despite knowing her Jewish heritage]

    But this did not dissuade Hitler from carrying on his friendship with girl, to whom he had sent a signed copy of the photograph.

    "The dear and [considerate?] Rosa Nienau Adolf Hitler Munich, the 16th June 1933," he wrote.

    Rosa, it appears, later added her own stamp to the photo, drawing flowers onto the black-and-white image.

    She would write to Hitler and his aide Wilhelm Bruckner on at least 17 occasions between 1935 and 1938, until she and her mother, a widow, were told to cut off contact by the Nazi leader's private secretary, Martin Bormann."CONTINUED
     
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    Seems contradictory.
     
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    Trump loves him some Nazis also because he supported Ukraine and helped arm it.
     
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    Absurd. Of course there was a Holocaust.
     
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    Congress helped armed it. Trump withheld funding in an attempt to get the Ukrainian government to produce "dirt" on Clinton and Biden.
     
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    Yet he still gave them their dough, he has too, and it was dough from a majority Republican govt.
     
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    That is a change from Democrats thesis that Trump hates Ukraine.

    Were is the Nazi Army and navy and Air Force now?

    Trump also stationed heavy tanks on the border of Russia.
     
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    True...he had to, by law. I think it was a bipartisan bill, although Republicans may have had a Senate majority. Also, there were certain restrictions on excluding certain weapons from the front lines (i.e. to be used only in case of a massive Russian invasion).
    Also, I remember there was some scandal over "arms to Ukraine" during the Republican Convention in 2016. There was a plank in the Republican platform that called for arming Ukraine with artillery (or some sort of "heavy weapons"), which was mysteriously withdrawn at the last minute. Manafort was rumored to have been the person who did it, but I don't think that was ever definitively proven.
     
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