Who Is Most Responsible for the SUCCESS of the Christian Religion?

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Who Is Most Responsible for the SUCCESS of the Christian Religion?

Poll closed May 7, 2021.
  1. Jesus

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    37.5%
  2. Paul

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  3. Constantine

    8 vote(s)
    50.0%
  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    The Iliad and the Odyssey are FICTIONAL accounts of ancient human events that are EMBELLISHED for the benefit of the story telling narrative.

    Your ENTIRE bible is just a collection of FICTIONAL myths, fables and superstitions surrounding events that have been embellished to fit into a THEIST narrative.

    There are NO ORIGINAL versions.
     
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    Fulfilled prophecy supports the Bible. The scientific evidence for the Bible is absolutely stunning, but it doesn't even begin to compare with the fact that showed me beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Bible is the Word of God.

    What fact was that? What was it that would prove there is no way that the Bible could be from man, but must be from the hand of Almighty God? One hundred percent accuracy in foretelling the future. If we could find that in a religious text, we would have the answer we are seeking.

    Next question: What do you think is the only book in the world that contains hundreds of very detailed prophecies and records of the fulfillment of those prophecies? The answer is the Bible. The Book of Mormon for Latter Day Saints doesn't; the Koran for Muslims doesn't; the Bhagavad Gita for Hindus doesn't.
     
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    So, are you eagerly waiting to be a slave?
     
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    What prophecy ever came true?
     
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    The accuracy of the Bible is not remarkable. All of its accurate points can be explained by simple observation of nature or by selective interpretation of scriptures.
     
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    all one has to do is imagine Trump as a religious leader in ancient times and his followers believing his myth tellings
     
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    Long before medical science discovered the importance of quarantine of persons with infectious diseases, the Bible mentioned it. In 1490 BC, the Scriptures tell the children of Israel what to do if a man has leprosy.

    All the days wherein the plague shall be in him he shall be defiled; he is unclean: he shall dwell alone; without the camp shall his habitation be. (Leviticus 13:46).
     
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    what is the cure God said to use for leprosy - oh, he said their broke and can not be fixed, banish them from society
     
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    Laws of quarantine were not given by modern man until the 17th century.
     
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    these so called laws were, banish the ugly ones, this was not news by the time it was in the bible, lol

    banishment is not the same as quarantine

    they banished witches and nonbelievers too

    http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/medical.html
     
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    The Old Testament was finished more than 400 years before the New Testament was written. To see how good God's predictive ability was, let's take a look at a small portion of those Old Testament prophecies that predict who the Messiah, the expected Savior, would be.

    In the Old Testament, Isaiah 7:14 reads, "Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."

    This prophecy was fulfilled by Yeshua (the Hebrew name of Jesus), as we read in the New Testament:

    Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

    Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.

    But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

    And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

    Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

    Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

    Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:

    And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus. (Matthew 1:18-25)

    God said He would bring forth a Son from a virgin, and He did.
     
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    The Bible knew facts about science before scientific discoveries. https://www.gotquestions.org/circle-of-the-earth.html

     
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    Grant R Jeffrey said in the Signature of God https://robertwimer.com/the-bible-facts-misconceptions/

    "During the devastating Black Death of the fourteenth century, patients who were sick or dead were kept in the same rooms as the rest of the family. People often wondered why the disease was affecting so many people at one time. They attributed these epidemics to 'bad air' or 'evil spirits'. However, careful attention to the medical commands of God as revealed in Leviticus would have saved untold millions of lives. Arturo Castiglione wrote about the overwhelming importance of this biblical medical law: 'The laws against leprosy in Leviticus 13 may be regarded as the first model of sanitary legislation' (A History of Medicine)."
     
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    Biblical texts are full of internal contradictions as well as historical and scientific inaccuracies.
     
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    Josephus said in Testimonium Flavianum

    "About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who wrought surprising feats and was a teacher of such people as accepted the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many Greeks. He was the Christ. When Pilate, upon hearing him accused by men of the highest standing among us, had condemned him to be crucified, those who had in the first place come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared to them restored to life, for the prophets of God had prophesied these and countless other marvelous things about him. And the tribe of Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared."
     
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    nothing to do with the bible
     
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    Investigating the actual findings of science, history, archaeology, and prophecy has shown us that-based on the evidence-saying there is no God makes no sense, because everything in the universe points to intelligent design and because no one but God could give so many complete, detailed prophecies-sometimes thousands of years in advance-and then simply and elegantly fulfill them in one an's life.
     
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    there is no jealous vengeful God that goes by the name 'Jealous' as described in the bible - maybe there is a God, just a more deistic one

    if a god doesn't need a creator, either does the universe

    maybe it's our collective life forces that created everything, who knows
     
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    We know from God's creation that deism does not describe who God is. https://www.beliefnet.com/news/science-religion/2004/11/unmasking-the-creator.aspx

     
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    Jealous

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+34:14&version=KJV

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    Exodus 34:14 King James Version (KJV)
    14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
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    the bible God is described, but doesn't sound that God like... come on admit, you cringe a little reading that bible verse
     
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    We are God's creation. https://www.gotquestions.org/jealous-God.html

     
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    You would quote something that was inserted in the 3rd or 4th century and since the 17 century has been considered to be a fraud. Still, even if true the above simply describes the claims of a cult regarding a cult leader.
     
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    Where does the Bible describe the germ theory?
     
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    Josephus's writings about Jesus were not fraud. https://reasonsforjesus.com/historian-josephus-mentions-jesus-how-this-is-a-genuine-source/

     
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    As to be expected. Yet another circular logic fallacy.

    The Bible claiming a virgin will conceive and then the same Bible saying a Virgin did conceive is not proof of anything. Did someone perform a gynecological exam after Mary became pregnant to verify she was "intact" so to speak?
     
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