Who Is Most Responsible for the SUCCESS of the Christian Religion?

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by JET3534, Apr 30, 2021.

?

Who Is Most Responsible for the SUCCESS of the Christian Religion?

Poll closed May 7, 2021.
  1. Jesus

    6 vote(s)
    37.5%
  2. Paul

    2 vote(s)
    12.5%
  3. Constantine

    8 vote(s)
    50.0%
  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    151,341
    Likes Received:
    63,483
    Trophy Points:
    113
    to sell a myth, wise to add some historical truths
     
    Cosmo likes this.
  2. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    151,341
    Likes Received:
    63,483
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Cosmo likes this.
  3. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    The Bible is historically trustworthy. Millar Burrows states http://thingsibelieveproject.net/is-the-old-testament-historically-reliable/

     
  4. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    The Bible is scientifically accurate. Science used to teach that the world sat on the back of a large animal. The reason scientists taught this is because they couldn't believe that the flat earth wasn't supported by something. Job 26:7 says of God, "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing." That statement was written 3,500 years ago. The Bible has always said that the earth is hanging in space. And, of course, with our science and our space exploration today, we know that to be a fact.
     
  5. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    In the book of Hebrews, one can read this statement:

    Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. (Hebrews 11:3)

    That statement was written almost 2,000 years ago. From this, we see that the Bible has always stated that things that we see are made of invisible things. This never made sense to most people-until, of course, it was discovered that there really are invisible elements called "atoms."
     
  6. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Quoted wrong post.
     
    Last edited: May 8, 2021
  7. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    The Bible mentions a global flood. https://answersingenesis.org/the-flood/ark-tales-10-popular-misconceptions-about-flood/

     
  8. Ronald Hillman

    Ronald Hillman Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2020
    Messages:
    1,690
    Likes Received:
    1,581
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The earth does not "hang" — it is caught in a gravitational pull and moves due to angular momentum. This verse says that the earth is above nothing. Nothing is defined as non-existent. However, beneath the earth (and all around the earth) is empty space, cosmic dust, stars, electromagnetic waves, and more. That is not nothing.

    This passage also seems to contradict Job 38:4-6, which refers to the earth having a foundation and footings, in direct contradiction to the idea that it is unsupported. Job 26:11 says heaven is supported by pillars. Many verses throughout the Bible refer to a solid firmament. And obviously, before science discovered it could not possibly be so, this led to the faithful constructing a model of a flat earth, held over an "empty place," a great abyss, by pillars.
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Eternal_Productions:_101_Scientific_Facts_and_Foreknowledge

    Ignorance or deceit?
     
    FreshAir and Cosmo like this.
  9. Ronald Hillman

    Ronald Hillman Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2020
    Messages:
    1,690
    Likes Received:
    1,581
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Oh please you cannot be that dumb, where does the word atom come from?

    But when it comes to the word atom, we have to go to ancient Greece of 400 B.C. And there was a brilliant philosopher named Democritus, and he proposed the Greek word atomos, which means uncuttable. And so as he explained, all matter was eventually reducible to discrete, small particles or atomos.

    That is 500 years earlier than your claim!
     
    Last edited: May 8, 2021
    FreshAir and Cosmo like this.
  10. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    In the book of Job, written 3,500 years ago, we read, "Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, 'Here we are?" (Job 38:35)
     
  11. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    The Bible is scientifically accurate. 2,800 years ago, Isaiah also made an interesting observation. He said:

    It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. (Isaiah 40:22)
     
  12. Ronald Hillman

    Ronald Hillman Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2020
    Messages:
    1,690
    Likes Received:
    1,581
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And?
     
  13. Ronald Hillman

    Ronald Hillman Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2020
    Messages:
    1,690
    Likes Received:
    1,581
    Trophy Points:
    113
    How much more of this rubbish do you want to humiliate yourself with, how many do you want debunked for you? Ignorance or deceit?
     
    Cosmo likes this.
  14. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    From the reading of Isaiah 40:22, Christopher Columbus discovered that the world is round. At a time when most believed that the earth was flat, it was the Scriptures that inspired Christopher Columbus to sail west. He wrote https://www.wadenapj.com/opinion/ed...thers-and-great-americans-regarding-bible-and

     
  15. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    151,341
    Likes Received:
    63,483
    Trophy Points:
    113
    they were looking for more new people to convert or kill... spreading the Christian religion.... the Indians did not fare well
     
    Cosmo likes this.
  16. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    What the church did has nothing to do with God dying for His creation. The fact that the church for centuries didn't persecute Jewish people shows that the New Testament doesn't have any semetic teachings. https://www.realmessiah.com/index.php/en/answers

     
  17. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    151,341
    Likes Received:
    63,483
    Trophy Points:
    113
    we were talking about Christopher Columbus being inspired by the word of God
     
  18. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Christianity is one of the few worldviews that not only offers but champions religious tolerance. Since God doesn't force anyone to believe (in fact the purpose of this life is to make a free choice), most Christians recognize that government shouldn't try to force belief either.
     
  19. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    151,341
    Likes Received:
    63,483
    Trophy Points:
    113
    lol, only when things are going good, look at history, plenty of bad times in Christians history too

    if the economy crashes, and things get bad, Christian religious fanatics could get dangerous again

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: May 8, 2021
    Cosmo likes this.
  20. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    What do the mistakes of the church have to do with wanting to know God?
     
  21. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    151,341
    Likes Received:
    63,483
    Trophy Points:
    113
    your the one that said this "Christianity is one of the few worldviews that not only offers but champions religious tolerance."

    but at least you're admitting Christian Churches have made 'mistakes' throughout history

    believers of religions cause the problems, not God's (this I agree with)
     
    Last edited: May 8, 2021
    Cosmo likes this.
  22. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    On the one thousandth anniversary of the fall of Jerusalem, Pope John Paul II apologized for the actions of the Crusaders. He called the events in Jerusalem and others like it departures from the Spirit of Christ and his gospel. The reason that Christianity can own up to its failures lies in the distinctiveness of its worldview. When the pope speaks of departures from the gospel, he is referring to the injunction to love, not only our neighbor, but our enemy.
     
  23. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    151,341
    Likes Received:
    63,483
    Trophy Points:
    113
    yep, I agree, what Christians did back then was terrible and Christians should have apologized for all of it

    lot of bad things done in that God's name, from Muslims, Christians and Jews
     
    Last edited: May 8, 2021
    Cosmo likes this.
  24. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    The mistakes of the church have nothing to do with God.
     
    Last edited: May 8, 2021
  25. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    151,341
    Likes Received:
    63,483
    Trophy Points:
    113
    of course not, with that we agree
     

Share This Page