Which of the following cases should be granted an abortion

Women can consult who they deem appropriate, if they deem appropriate. But they know their family, their friends, their life situation, their body, their neighborhood, their economics, the health problems the fetus may face. the totality of circumstance that go into this complicated question. How about we just stay out of it and not micromanage their decision.

 

More likely to be a male pressuring her to abort for the wrong sex - especially in third world countries - but you DO know don’t you that the vast majority of abortions occur within the first eight weeks BEFORE the sex is determined

 

Does that make it a crime when any other action wouldn't be?

 

Nope, it is her choice, but I can disagree with her reasoning and even find it repugnant.

 

No, no Anti-Choicers opinions either...only the woman knows everything about HER situation and she is the only one to decide how her life goes.

How TF would YOU know every woman's circumstances and need...YOU DON'T.

How about the woman decides for herself what to do with her body and her life??? Is that too frightening for you?

Not necessarily...the woman would still be FORCED to damage her body through gestation and childbirth....and who pays her bills....and who gives her a job when she loses hers for being pregnant?

That's one of your sickest comments...among so many...

 

So how many have YOU adopted?

 

Not as harsh as knowingly bringing a child into a life of poverty, misery and/or abuse. Not as harsh as sacrificing your own values for a child you do not even want and only choosing parenthood because "everyone else does ir", "because society needs kids" or "because God said so". And certainly not as harsh as supporting government mandated population control.

No one owes anyone a child. Adoption is already an option today and those who wish to do that are free to do so.

Are you serious?

The primary objection does not deal with the potential future, but with the actual present -- Here and now the only thing that matters is the life and happiness of the unwillingly pregnant woman.

No matter if you are Miss World 2021, Average Avy, white or green, you should have the right to abortion. Why would that matter or change anything? Her life is her life regardless how she looks.

 

Of the choices that you have listed...how many of those instances actually occur? Probably less than 1%. What was your point in posting such choices? If you don't WANT the responsibility of raising a child don't do the things that create a child. When a woman choses to put herself in that position...they are thinking ONLY of themselves and nothing about consequences. Life is precious....be responsible.

 

More than you realise

Why do you think women have abortions? It is obvious from your answer already that you have bought into the misogynistic twaddle about “shouldn’t have had sex in the first place” and yet a large proportion of women seeking abortions are in stable relationships or already have one child.

Now “life is precious” are you supporting the growth of illegal abortions? Studies across the globe has shown that increasing restriction on legislation increases both the maternal mortality rate AND the infant mortality rate. So it becomes a choice between the born and the barely conceived

 

There is some good solid research showing an increase in infant mortality associated with abortion restriction and this is because women are no longer able to control the spacing and number of children

 

Yes, responsible women don't have kids they can't afford or don't want...


Why do you want woman to have a choice ONLY until pregnant??????...and then she should have no choice for some mythical reason....

If you were one of the "1%" it would make a difference...but you aren't ...how nice for you...

 

Interesting results on the poll. Now no one that I have seen has argued that none of those cases were acceptable reasons. But the one choice that has only 15 not 16 yeses is the case of Savita Halappanavar who died in Ireland and whose case helped overturn the restrictive Irish anti-abortion legislation

 

Responsible women don't have fetuses they are just going to abort, because they came along at an inconvenient time.

 

That is exactly what a responsible and moral woman would do.

 

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Yes, responsible women don't have kids they can't afford or don't want...

Yes, responsible women don't have kids they can't afford or don't want... and they are free to abort

 

And responsible men........

Takes two to Tango


I would love, just once, to see an equal “blame game”. Until there is I am calling this misogyny

 

Are you agreeing with the premise that there is any blame to be given to begin with? I certainly don't.

 

I agree with most of your message, but women who murder their children are absolutely evil. No one makes excuses for male serial killers, although most of them suffered severe abuse as children or adults.

 

That's been my mission all along .. to get you to acknowledge that these things are choices, made by ordinary functioning women. They are not intellectually impaired adults who don't understand that actions have consequences - they know exactly what they're doing.

Which of course means you cannot claim that a pregnancy is unwanted, unless it's the product of rape. Once you accept that reality, it will be much easier to move to a position of moral intelligence on the question of abortion.

 

As you say, women know exactly what their circumstances will tolerate .. so any actions must necessarily fit within that context. IOW, they make an informed choice to risk a pregnancy when they engage in 'uncertain' sex.

Or did you want to change that assertion that women know exactly what they're doing?

 

It's not my nor your business.

 

Not when it comes to sex. She is entirely responsible for the outcome, because the female dictates mating activity in mammals.

My view is that it's more misogynistic to attribute half the responsibility (and therefore control) to men, when they in fact have none.

 

Do not misquote me, crank. It does not impress. The phrase 'exactly what they are doing' is not in my post. You invented it out of thin air. Knock it off, stop exaggerating my stance. Use my words or don't bother posting
1. The circumstances can change between when they have sex and when the end of the first trimester shows up..
2. They are permitted to make mistakes or miscalculate. They can miss a couple of doses or , or pick a sex partner who's condom is a poor fit, or use a poorly fitting diaphram, or not use enough spermicide. Any number of things can go wrong in the process even if they themselves made no mistake. Unwanted pregnancies happen. They are still in the best position to make a final call on whether to have that baby based on the totality of circumstances, even if they misjudge a piece of it.

No person or institution is in a better place to decide

 

In my opinion these are all pretty borderline cases, and should probably be dealt with by a bioethics council, on an individualized basis.
It depends on several factors.

You do realize that she can choose adoption, don't you?

 

I'd give a more detailed answer if this were not on page 10, or if we were focusing on just a single one of these individual situations.