Trump Administration’s Careful Afghanistan Withdrawal Plans Were Ignored by Biden

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  1. US Conservative

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    He did alter course from Trump on the border, on covid, on tarrifs, on gun policy, on trannies in the military, and the deal Trump made with the Taliban to pull out without casualties.

    And yet his die hard supporter say the most disastrous withdrawal imagined isn't Bidens fault even the the msm, cia, fbi, state dept, military, and Joe Effing Biden say it is.

    Its special.
     
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    there is no way Biden could have asked the Taliban to give him back the 5000 Taliban fighters until our people were home safe

    and yes, I agree, Biden should have sent troops back on day one, Trump never should have brought them home days before Biden took office, that was a huge mistake on Biden's part

    like I said, much blame to go around
     
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    So you never actually read the agreement or know of its conditions. You don't even know what we got in the agreement, do you.
    You are just here to blindly regurgitate leftist brainwashed propaganda.
     
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  4. The Mello Guy

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    Agreement lol
    I know we didn’t leave for any of trumps 4 years.
     
  5. Condor060

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    So you didn't know of any agreement between the Taliban and the US or its conditions.
    Thats what I thought.
    Next
     
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    Agreements that someone else has to carry out aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on
     
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    It's evident that the allies are dumber than a box of rocks since they failed to keep in touch on such an important issue. What were they doing, drinking wine and eating cheese? Why were they caught off guard when they have their own people there and their own spy agencies? Could trump have been right when he said that NATO is worthless?

    If the allies are concerned about what is happening in Afghanistan then they can send their own troops and planes there to fix it to their liking.
     
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    Evidently Biden is smarter than all of those Europeans. They were too stupid to keep informed about what he was doing.
     
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    You mean like the constitution.
    Agreements with America are not worth the paper they are written on because a current president didn't sign it?

    Don't tell me, Democrat, Right?
     
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    Well that would be a first in American history. American allies being responsible for keeping informed on American covert missions? Is there an Global Ally White House hotline they call every hour to keep informed on unscheduled US operations?
     
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    Not what I’m saying, although I’m guessing you forgot the Iran nuclear deal…
    I’m saying a “plan” you’re too afraid to implement yourself is chicken ****
     
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    As I had it explained to me over the weekend by someone I know who rarely ever 'gets it wrong', the plan (from the beginning) has been for Joe to be in office a little over a year... then, by say, late spring of 2022, he'll have some kind of 'health issue' that will cause him to retire (in honored glory, no doubt hailed as some kind of 'savior' by the hyperliberal Left). The important thing would be for Joe to get out before he had been president for two full years!

    That would allow Kamala to rule comfortably before the mid-term congressional elections next year as president -- and -- still be able to run for two FULL terms on her own! The 22nd-Amendment would allow that -- provided Joe leaves before Jan. 20, 2023.

    Who would President Harris choose as her own vice-president...? Susan Rice? Someone even worse? Who the hell knows.... :hippie:
     
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    With thousands more to go and it seems the August 31 will not be met. No surprise there. How many Afghans with visas have been killed? I seriously doubt the State Department knows that answer so please don't attempt to answer it. Biden based his decision to remove all troops before the civilians based on his belief the Afghan forces could handle the security. He is claiming he does not recall anyone telling him the Afghans forces could not do the job. In comparison look how the Jews took control of their country after WW2 compared to the Afghans. It's the difference between how badly you want your country or not.
     
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    It was recommended 2500 troops stay behind to see the Americans and Afghans get out. While the 2500 troops were there the Taliban stayed clear. It was not until Biden starting reducing those numbers did the Taliban start their takeover. But pointing at one bad to justify another is not a winning argument.
     
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    Mistakes by several presidents were made when the decision to stay in Afghanistan to help rebuild it. We should have left when Osama was killed. But Biden holds most of the responsibility for what is happening now. I very certain there will be an investigation and the number 2500 will come up many times and Biden will be faced with having to answer why he withdrew those troops before evacuating all the Americans and Afghans with visas. The "I don't recall being told" won't fly.
     
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    HTF do you know no citizens have been killed when we have NO EARS OR EYES out there helping our citizens? There are reports of Americans getting beat, stampedes of people getting trampled and Taliban going door to door. How many Americans will be hostages... This ****** literally left Americans to die and he should be held accountable!
     
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    2500 with a fueling available air force and gun ships to deal with Taliban. The moment Biden closed Bogram and pulled troops out is the moment the Taliban seized everything as there was nothing to stop them....
     
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    There is no question that the Afghan Army was a Paper Tiger:

    https://www.npr.org/2021/08/20/1029451594/the-afghan-army-collapsed-in-days-here-are-the-reasons-why

    That said, all of it is (woulda, coulda, shoulda, mighta) hindsight now.
    Even the self-serving statements in the OP link.

    Instead of dealing with what COULD have been...

    Reality dictates that we deal with the NOW...

    [​IMG]
     
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    Biden is a worthless human being let alone the worst President ever, and he did the latter in just 7 months.
     
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    Except we haven’t left, we’re getting people out.
     
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    We are? So you have a number of Americans evacuated? Because right now that number is reported to be 2500 INCLUDING the embassy staff since last Saturday. Which means about 500 since the evacuation. That means Americans left behind after the embassy and troop evacuation.
     
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    What's your point ? Trump, Desantis, Abbott, Mcconnell, and Kevin Mccarthy are worthless human beings and have shown that over years and years.
     
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    Some of you seem to act like Trump pulled all the troops out and then the Taliban suddenly took over before Biden had a chance to stop it. That was not the case.

    Yes it was, that is what took place exactly. Except this was PLANNED by Trump in the "negotiations" he had when he had the Taliban at the White House just last year

    Win or lose he was leaving, and he was paying off the Afghan "Army" to leave. If he won the Taliban would play nice until everyone was gone. If he lost...Our people and our allies were pawns to the Trumpers either way.
     
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    I don't think anyone remembers Trump, Desantis, Abbott, Mcconnell, and Kevin Mccarthy abandoning 10,000 Americans who are now trapped behind enemy lines.
    Just a guess.
     
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    Sure the lucky ones who ignored the US Embassy's warning to stay at home and made it to the airport.
     

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