Opponents. How has gay marriage negatively effected your life?

That doesn't make sense. A beaker who search his customers would have a good reputation.

 

I never said he hated gay people. He apparently thinks they don't deserve marriage why else would he deny this to a couple because they're gay?

 

False. Would Jack create a gay wedding cake if a heterosexual couple asked him to? No. Therefore he’s not discriminating against the person, but against the ideology. Which he’s perfectly within his rights to do.

Furthermore would Jack be willing to make ANY other cake for the gay couple? Yes he’s said so many times. Therefore he’s not discriminating against the couple because they’re gay. He’s refusing to make something he would refuse to make for ANYONE regardless of their personhood.

 

It doesn't matter how far fetched you think it is, the fact is that it's a POSSIBILITY that the baker would be worried about being slandered as a 'fake Christian.'

 

what's a gay wedding cake. Cuz I understand it cakes are objects and don't have sexuality.

Well I don't think anybody should be forced to serve anyone if they don't want to.

My presence on this thread isn't to say that there should be laws against the sort of thing.

I'm just trying to understand why someone would deny this it doesn't make sense to me. The religious angle fails because there's nowhere in the Bible that it says not to make products or provide services to people who are gay.

So the only reason I can really come up with is to why someone wouldn't want to make a wedding cake for a gay couple is that they don't like the idea that gay people get married and I'm not sure why that has anything to do with the cake.

 

It's not about thinking that they don't DESERVE marriage, it's about believing that the only legitimate marriage is between one man and one woman.

 

it's far-fetched but if you have to stretch reality that much it's probably because your point isn't very good

So he's a slave to other people's bigotry? That's even worse.

 

A gay wedding cake is a cake designed for a gay marriage. In this specific instance I believe (it’s been a really long time since I read the story) they wanted two men holding hands as “bride and groom”.

What you’re asking the Christian to do is to help celebrate/facilitate a celebration of something which his book/religion tells him is sinful.

You don’t understand why that’s problematic?

 

Jack does serve his customers.

 

Again that would be an objection to marrying somebody the couple that wanted the cake isn't going to marry the baker.

 

With certain exceptions and as you put it because he's a slave to other people's bigotry.

 

Now this is obviously far fetched but to simply illustrate a point... Let’s assume an incestuous chomo (child molester) came in and wanted a cake for a “marriage” between himself and his 11 year old daughter. Now obviously it’s not legal but the guy says they’re going to have the ceremony at his house and this cake is part of their celebration. He wants the cake to be decorated with hearts and love symbols and on top wants a figure of himself (a 45 year old man) and his daughter (an 11 year old girl) holding hands dressed for a wedding, staring lovingly into each other’s eyes and about to say their vows.

You wouldn’t see any problem with making that cake because you’re not participating in it... right?

 

So it's not just a cake do they have to use orphan blood or make a sacrifice to Satan? If so I understand the objection

what you mean on the cake what have you said he didn't have those kind. Could you still make the cake?

that's incorrect what you're doing is hiring somebody and you intend on paying them for their services.

People have used religion is an excuse for bigotry for centuries I think that both degrades religion and the religious.

It's not. When you open a business you provide a service in exchange for money.

For instance I repair cars now if I repaired a car for somebody that they were going to go then sell so they can buy drugs what do I care I'm paid to fix the car it's not participating in sin if that's how you run a business how can you possibly stay in business

 

You KNOW what it is!

There's also nowhere in the Bible where it says not to stomp on the Bible. So would you be surprised if a Christian objects to doing that?

Jack doesn't CARE who gets married to who! He just doesn't want to have to use his artistic, creative expression for something which is counter to his belief! He wants to be left alone! So much for the old gay lobby mantra which we all now know is TOTAL BS!

 

What if they’re repairing the car so they can take their 11 year old newly “married” bride to their honeymoon? You cool with that? Or would you tell him to **** off and take his car to someone else?

 

people pulled the KKK and the Nazi cakes already unless you're saying gay people are no better than child molesters that dog doesn't hunt.

Again if this person thinks child molestation and same-sex marriage are in the same category he is a bigot.

 

No sir that’s incorrect. It doesn’t MATTER whether you or I or anyone else thinks they’re as bad as nazis or child molesters. The ONLY thing that matters is that his religion declares they’re both sinners and he has NO obligation to contribute to their sinful behavior.

 

right it's imaginary there's no such thing.

Wedding cakes aren't gay they don't have sex

Is destroying a symbol of someone's religion the same thing as doing commerce with someone?

So he provides a questionnaire for everyone who orders something from him to make sure their beliefs align or is it just for specifically for the gays?

I don't believe this is religious I believe it's political.

 

But if you REALLY want to get into it, we can discuss the grossly disproportionate levels of child molestation within the homosexual community. But I’m pretty sure that’s not a conversation you want to have.

 

Baking a cake doesn't contribute at all to behavior in any way outside of eating the cake.

Also if he thinks gay people are as bad as child molesters than yes he's a bigot that's all I'm saying he has every right in the world to be a bigot. But I'm in a point to it and say what it is I have every right in the world to do that.

 

Not to mention the absurdly high rates of depression, anxiety, self harming behaviors, psychosis and suicide within the homosexual community. Why anyone would suggest it’s a good thing to normalize is beyond me.

 

Fine he’s a bigot. And? So are you and everyone else. You just have different things you are bigoted towards.

So what?

 

If you automatically assume every gay person is a child molester that's bigotry.

Talk about whatever you want I'm not interested in that with regard to this discussion because it has nothing to do with it.

If I judged every Catholic priest to be a child molester because there seems to be higher instance within Catholic clergy for child molestation I would consider that bigotry too.

So far all you have is bigotry.

 

Everybody... LITERALLY EVERYBODY ON THE PLANET is bigoted in some way shape or form. Wtf are you talking about and why does it matter?

Are you asserting your bigotry is better than his or his is worse than yours?

 

If you don't care why are you talking to me?

The purpose of my participation in this discussion is trying to find a legitimate reason for this. If you and I agree what is there left to discuss?