Virus surge hits New England despite high vaccination rates

Been effective for me so far so I will take correlation over causation if that is what keeps me off a vent

 

Indeed this was not OK at all. Terrible, terrible. It's mind-boggling how a country that used to be proficient (American exceptionalism) committed so many blunders while dealing with this.

 

I painted with too broad a brush. I know you are appalled.

At this point I’m not convinced the term “blunders” works. I don’t see any possible scenario where the CDC etc. could not know their approach was wrong. I hate to be “that guy”, but I’ve pondered this for well over a year and can’t come up with an explanation that doesn’t include some portion of intentionality.

I know we’ve talked about how politics negatively affects public health. But how can the same boneheaded policy under two diametrically opposed administrations be driven by politics? I’d love to hear your opinions.

 

Anyone who claims N95s are inferior to or equal to cloth masks is a liar. Anyone who claims N95 masks are in short supply is a liar. Full stop.

 

Show me a shortage of N95s. Go ahead. The NYT article from February shows there was no shortage then. I can link to cheap N95s all day long. And have been for a year. They are available everywhere. Anyone claiming otherwise is a liar. Period.

 

I can't say for certain. I went by this article.
Where mfgs said they had product but weren't able to sell them.
Due to not being in the supply chain.


What oversight? They limited ads because of shortages.
Did those companies know the small mfgs had stock?

Or you claiming some sort of conspiracy theory?

 

I show you nothing. If you can’t see it on tv with every professional team not using n95 masks, who are you to believe. These are millionaires with the best medical staffs there are….hmm. Where are they ???

 

Ha ha
Still on that uninformed comment ? You still don’t know the difference between a respirator and a common mask do you ?

 

I'm generally not a believer in the idea that people intentionally screw up with some sort of hidden agenda in mind. I prefer to think that this was the product of sheer incompetence.

 

Given a choice between conspiracy and incompetence put your money on human stupidly and incompetence every time

 

Gee, after two routine exams today, EVERYONE there was instructed to use hospital masks instead of their own as they wanted to be sure everyone was using a fresh mask. They never offered an n95, ever. This is common throughout the US….where are they ? Where are they ? The aliens took them. The dogs and rats ate them. Stop me when it starts to sounds like a conspiracy theory. Now, everyone, not just Harvard is a liar.
Beginning to sound like man made Climate change deniers.

 

Exactly.

 

Not me. No one can be as screwed up intentionally. We’ve now got posters saying the entire medical community is what, lying ?

 

Let’s start at the beginning. Remember when the CDC finally decided masks were good instead of bad. Like April of 2020? Everyone was complaining that stocks had been depleted during the influenza pandemic and Trump hadn’t resupplied. The CDC said N95s must be reserved for healthcare workers because of the shortage. Some wanted government to force manufacturers to make N95 masks. If the CDC reported a shortage they must have been running numbers on production and communicating with NIOSH approved manufacturers, right?

So sometime between April of 2020 the CDC quit checking availability of masks? Am I supposed to believe the CDC just didn’t know companies had tooled up and had petitioned to have their masks certified BY A DIVISION OF THE CDC? The experts at the CDC telling Amazon not to sell masks because of a shortage didn’t know the CDC had certified MILLIONS of masks that were piling up at manufacturers?

My link showed that manufacturers were petitioning the Biden administration to help. Am I to believe the CDC didn’t know about this either? Don’t you think a company going bankrupt would ask the CDC itself for help since it’s the CDC’s job to regulate NIOSH certified product?

Companies like Amazon have active seller recruitment departments. Am I to believe recruiters weren’t aware of supplies of what was one of the most talked about and purchased products during the pandemic? You don’t think Amazon keeps track of production of every product under the sun EXCEPT N95 masks?

This went on for a YEAR!

Is it believable that all the above just happened because of ignorance or incompetence? I can’t swallow all the above as incompetence. I’m open to someone explaining how that much incompetent could exist throughout business and government.

 

I tried to believe like you for a year. It’s not logical anymore. It’s statistically impossible unless everyone in retail and government public health is completely incompetent. Say it was possible it’s all incompetence. Is that any less concerning?

 

You base your health decisions on what you see people do on TV?

 

You just lost everyone by starting out with a bogus statement. The entire medical community including the cdc recommends masks for DECADES for use. So no one ever said masks were bad. At that time, given the evidence of the low level of infections, THEY DID NOT recommend them at that time. Deniers would have whined like little babies if they did. Portugal may not recommend masks soon because the infections have dropped enough there. See how science works….it changes with conditions. Please don’t say you know about science…..

start over again so we can trust something about what you say. There is so much made up stuff it’s hard to take you serious. But fun pointing it out.

 

Have you considered all the real experts that have petitioned the CDC to recommend better masks? Have you considered months ago European epidemiologists and governments mandated quality masks? How can it remain incompetence when people are telling you to reconsider your position?

Have you considered that the bureaucrats wanted to increase production of N95 masks early in the pandemic but then sometime over the summer of 2020 stopped caring about supply? How can that be incompetence?

I’m not seeing any evidence this was incompetence. Someone please offer something besides opinion.

Oh, can you do me a favor and let Bowerbird know she’s liking posts of a guy who thinks cloth masks are superior to N95s? She has me on ignore but I have a soft spot for her and hate to see her squander her reputation on something like this.

 

I’m just looking for something you said was available EVERYWHERE. TV seemed like a reasonable place. You got a better idea if someone’s says “everywhere”

 

I wouldn't know. I'm not that knowledgeable regarding the inner workings of an administration. It's already hard to keep afloat in terms of trying to remain up to date regarding the biological aspects of this pandemic; I have no time left to explore the legal parts, the political actions and inactions, the market forces, production issues, etc., so regarding these, sorry, I can only offer opinion, no facts. But I'd be curious to learn the facts from others who have more insight into how a federal administration functions.

 

You can’t be serious. The cdc depends almost totally on the work of all these 171 medical research facilities. Really, they and local hospitals do all the drug approval trials. Now you’re saying they don’t listen to them ? They don’t listen to Tucker!

 

Conspiracy theories are everwhere. Must RW tv promoting all these conspiracy theories.
Some one asked me the other day how likely there's a New world order coming in short order. I was flabergasted someone would believe such nonsense.

 

Btw, you need to stop lying about what I’ve said concerning n95 masks vs cloth and or medical masks and surgical masks. They are effin lies and you need to stop.

 

And what would be THE reason for not supplying masks, if they were so readily available.
Let's hear this conspiracy theory you have cooking.

My link showed that many small mfgs tooled up but didn't find a supply chain to sell them in right away. That is fairly common.
One can have a product, but not the tools in place to get them to market. Setting up supply chains takes time.

 

I’ve quoted your own words back to you my friend. I can again but I’m too bored with you right now. Maybe later.