Virus surge hits New England despite high vaccination rates

Can picking your nose, for example, give you a virus? Duh - yes.

One has to use critical thinking to determine which studies are worthwhile and the study of the face mask's usefulness in deterring the spread and death doesn't appear to be logical. That's why I mentioned the many who believe the rooster causes the sun to come up in the AM...Because appearances coupled with a lack of critical thinking are deceiving.

But then again as a sidenote, colleges don't teach critical thinking anymore do they?

 

The authoritarian demand that health agencies like the CDC/WHO/NIH/Fauci must be followed because they are the experts is quite laughable considering the flip-flopping, the appearance of a general lack of expertise or the lack of critical thinking, for examples, said agencies have been showing over the course of this pandemic.

 

It makes no sense. It is indisputable the CDC is providing false information. It has to be a lie because there is no way an organization certifying a product doesn’t know that product exists. Not possible in a rational world. But people would rather believe the CDC is composed of complete imbeciles than admit they are misleading people.

I don’t think the imbecile theory is correct, but even if we accept that, how can one support such profound stupidity?

Not only do people support profound stupidity, they listen to whatever the profoundly stupid people say—even when what they say can be easily demonstrated to be in denial of all empirical evidence including peer reviewed studies and meta analysis of peer reviewed studies.

 

What’s funny about the whole thing is for the last year and a half I’ve been told any criticism of “experts” is invalid because they are the “smart” people. Now when you show what they say is not true, they claim it isn’t a lie, it’s just that the people saying untrue things are stupid. LOL

 

No, I do not.
Just because some small mfgs had them in stock, doesn't mean they were in the supply chain. For various reasons as has been suggested.

 

Why does it have to lie?

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/disp_part/n95list1.html

The link shows a list of N95 approved suppliers. Dated from July. What I haven't found are the dates each one became approved.

 

All the things you describe, the whys and wherefore, is easily explained by the facts and data uncovered and published by David E. Martin--this was all planned years in advance.

 

Hilariously all over the place.

 

Well, we know which studies are worthwhile. Mine. I actually posted them. You have posted nothing about masking….nothing, nada,nix…

 

There’s no suggestion. I’ve been supplying PF members links to places to purchase these masks for almost a year. They would have been in the broader supply chain if the CDC hadn’t prevented it.

I have been telling people masks are available. Here is information from a post of mine earlier this fall.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehil...akers-say-theyre-in-danger-of-going-broke?amp

You have been misled. Masks are in huge over-supply and they are easily purchased. They are not being used because the CDC recommended against their use until September 10, 2021. The CDC recommendation also led many to purchase terribly quality KN95s etc. instead of domestic N95s.

The facts are clear. Masks (N95) are in massive over-supply snd have been for almost a year. They have been available in the supply chain except for Amazon etc. that refused to sell them based on the CDC disinformation. Yet the CDC has been actively recommending AGAINST their use. This is not debatable.

There is NO evidence the supply chain is to blame for this. Not unless you count the CDC telling the supply chain not to sell them.

 

So in July they were already approved. Can we agree on that? Your own link dated one company as being approved August of 2020. Is your own link now not evidence? You seemed to think so when you posted it!

If these were all active and approved in July 2021 and it’s a fact in February of 2021 the NYT was listing companies with millions of masks in inventory without buyers and already fearing bankruptcy, why do you think the date of each approval matters?

If you want to believe it’s abject stupidity instead of lies that’s cool. But kind of amusing. At the end of the day, I could tell you where to get all the N95 masks you wanted in the early spring of 2021. The NYT could as well. As could another poster here who has helped people with links to N95 masks. But you think the CDC who certifies the product didn’t know it existed!

 

Of course you have posted the evidence…..not.
The n95 is in over supply in your dreams. I suppose you have a gross in your back pocket and use them all the time. No denier does, none.

 

I've used critical thinking by posing the fact that someone can have any virus including Covid invade their body from some orifice other than the nose and mouth (which are the only orifices the face mask protects). Also, the virus is viable for a few days if the surface on which the virus resides isn't sanitized.

Sidenote: I know of someone who claims they were infected with Covid when they were sneezed upon and the 'splatter' hit their eyes (eyes aren't covered by the mask).

 

The 100 people or so that visit this website isn't enough to get it out nation wide.

How did the CDC prevent those from getting into the market? Early thru mid 2020, the stock was limited to healthcare personnel. For obvious reasons.

I have not been misled. I may be not fully informed as I don't follow this stuff closely. But I've seen nothing you've offered that suggests they lied or prevented companies from getting approval.

I would imagine there were many many companies looking to get qualified and limited people involved in approval process.

 

Why would the CDC lie? There has to be a reason or motive. Even though you've not shown proof they lied. You have data but not all the facts.
I don't make assumptions. I go with facts and details.
What you are claiming is circumstancial and an opinion.

 

I have posted links to the NYT and The Hill that have documented the oversupply and I’ve even listed actual companies who have hundreds of millions of masks they can’t sell. I can give you links to retailers if you wanted to purchase some.

 

You must realize this is the 'Dem Party traditional way' to determine someone (like Trump) has lied: When they change their minds like the CDC, for example, changed their minds numerous times.

 

You think trump was the dem party.
In 2020 when the claims are being made the loudest for the CDC lying, a trump appointee was the head of it.

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• Dr. Robert Redfield has been the director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention since March 2018.
  https://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-robert-redfield-cdc-director-trump-administration-2020-9?op=1

 

Of course I can’t reach the nation. But guess who can? The CDC. But they told people NOT to wear good quality masks. You need to ponder why a farmer in the middle of nowhere can access and lead others to a lifesaving product the CDC isn’t aware exists.

I’ve provided links documenting the CDC telling Amazon and social media sites not to sell N95s to the public.

None of what I’ve posted has anything to do with early 2020. That is a strawman argument I’m completely uninterested in.

Yes you have been misled because the CDC has been telling you N95s are in short supply for a year when they were not in short supply. You can choose to believe they misled you because they are stupid, but they still misled you and others. The only people not misled are people like myself who use evidence to base our opinions on, not appeal to authority.

So you think the people at the CDC who are telling you masks are not available aren’t communicating with the people at the CDC who make masks available? And this has gone on for a year. Do you have any evidence of this, or is it just your opinion that people at the CDC are this profoundly incompetent?

If the CDC can’t internally communicate the availability of the product that’s been the hottest topic of the pandemic and that they themselves certify, why do you support them? Do you think maybe you better start paying attention?

Do you believe N95 masks are superior to cloth masks for reducing transmission and for protecting individuals from infection? Or do you think the epidemiologists at the CDC have some secret evidence epidemiologists in Europe don’t have that mandated N95 equivalent masks months ago and even distributed to people? There is no empirical evidence of any kind showing the masks recommended by the CDC for almost two years are as good as N95 masks for public use to prevent spread of Covid. None. If you disagree, please provide the evidence. In fact, ALL the evidence shows N95s to be superior in every way. Yet they recommended AGAINST their use for 18 months, using the excuse the supply was short—even though for the last 12 months of that period masks were in massive over-supply.

I have NEVER claimed the CDC prevented companies from getting approval. I’ve claimed the OPPOSITE. They were giving companies approval hand over fist and regularly testing the masks those companies were producing.

What the CDC did do is prevent online retailers from selling the product the CDC was certifying. I’ve documented all this for you.

 

Your post is to long.
So I'll address the same points you claimed and addressed over and over and over, 1 more time.

The CDC limited sales to the healthcare profession early on. For obvious reasons.
The articles you linked to the limited ads were for the same obvious reason to limit the supply available at the time to the healthcare industry.

That's not lying. That's being truthful.
Limited supply, so limit the market to those in the biggest need.

 

No. I have supplied ONLY facts. You keep asking for my opinion. You just did again. Opinions of why are of no value.

You do not value facts because that’s ALL I’ve presented and you still have ONLY offered opinion.

I don’t care if you believe they lied. You just fell for the trap I set when I started discussing this subject in this thread. You stated the misinformation is a result of incompetence. That’s fine, but if the CDC is that incompetent it’s time for people who don’t pay attention to start paying attention.

My goal is not to prove the CDC lied or to make them look stupider than you already believe them to be. My only goal is to get people to care about making their own decisions on health based on evidence, not appeal to authority. That’s all I care about. That’s why trying to get my opinion on some conspiracy theory holds no interest to me. I want people to use the best mask to keep them safe. That’s it.

 

No. I have NEVER discussed the early shortage. All my posts and evidence are from the late fall of 2020 onward—after the shortage was over. Your repeated attempt at strawman is a fail. I’m uninterested in the initial shortage. I’m interested in the 12 month of misinformation after there were oversupplies instead of shortages.

I have provide ample evidence the shortages did not exist in 2021.

 

What percentage of the people clogging those hospitals with COVID cases are unvaccinated? Hint: it's over 90%. Even in the most vaccinated areas of the country, there are still tons of unvaccinated people.

 

Here is the link confirming Amazon was not selling based on CDC guidelines.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...-restricting-sales-of-medical-face-masks.html

Dated March 1, 2021.

Here is the NYT piece I’ve linked to showing oversupply. Dated February 10, 2021.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...alth/covid-masks-china-united-states.amp.html

Amazon actually started selling some N95s in the spring of 2021. Even though the CDC was recommending against their purchase and use. So Amazon actually figured out there were masks even though the CDC had not. Your link also talked about the Biden administration circumventing CDC guidelines and encouraging Amazon to sell some N95s. But that didn’t help much when the CDC was still telling people NOT to wear N95s. (Good for Biden for actually following science in this case).

 

I'm not sure that "clogging those hospitals" is accurate anymore. I live in Mississippi, a state with one of the lowest vaccination rates and a state that experienced a huge spike late in the summer.

As of today, there are 404 COVID patients in the hospital state-wide. With 122 hospitals in the state, that works out to 3.31 covid patients per hospital.