Virus surge hits New England despite high vaccination rates

Ah, so when my mom calls me in tears, the only time I've heard her cry outside of her father's funeral, stressed to the limit with her clogged hospital, she's just making that up I guess. When my dad's oncologist says he can't schedule his surgery because there won't be beds available, that must be no biggie. He's probably just hiding those extra beds somewhere. When my grandmother's blood sugar crashes and she has a nasty fall, but the EMTs who arrive (late, of course, due to COVID cases) and they tell her they don't want to take her to the hospital because there won't likely be a bed for her . . . was that just a bad April Fools joke in September?

 

All this anecdotal and emotional BS when you could have simply posted the applicable stats for your locale? Hmmmm.

 

Oh, my personal locale isn't as much of a problem. We don't have as many antivaxx conspiracy nuts around here.

 

Good for you. I'm glad your state is now recovering from the damage created by antivaxxers. That must be a great relief to the people who weren't able to get the care they needed in September now that October is looking better.

 

There's been an increase in vaccination, but nothing dramatic. As the chart shows, the average per hospital was less than 8 COVID patients at the high point.

Our state Department of Health director has consistently stated that the numbers would drop due to a combination of vaccination and natural immunity.

This Delta variant, like all viruses, has come in a wave, with its own surge dynamic.

As far as vaccination goes, it does do some good, but is not some magic bullet.

 

Massachusetts is one of the most vaccinated states. Check this out.

I agree 90% sounds cooler, but isn’t particularly accurate even though that’s the claim media bandies about.

 

Please read my post. And if you think that less than 90% of people hospitalized for COVID are unvaccinated, feel free to provide a source. Specifically hospitalized FOR COVID.

 

The Trump Administration allowed the CDC, for example, to take the lead during the pandemic since the Trump Administration figured the CDC was more an expert on what to do during the pandemic. Turms out the Trump Administration might've had a better grasp on of what to do during the pandemic than the CDC.

 

Sure. That’s exactly what I did. We can go to the data source for THIS WEEK.

https://www.mass.gov/info-details/covid-19-response-reporting#covid-19-vaccine-report-

From the above link. Current hospitalizations FOR COVID. As of October 7, 2021 there are 562 patients hospital for Covid. Of those, 179 are fully vaccinated. That’s 24% full vaccinated and 76% unvaccinated. As of yesterday.

I’m using Massachusetts because it’s the 5th most vaccinated state and one I follow. Your post mentions highly vaccinated states so it fits well.

Even the CDC hasn’t reported 90% since June. It was down to 86% in July.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm

I don’t know of newer CDC data. The above was published in September 2021.

It seems you may want to start questioning your information sources.

 

I don’t know much about that and as I’ve told others in this thread it doesn’t matter to me why the CDC gives out misinformation and disinformation. What matters is how it kills people. I try and help people not die, but as you can see appeal to authority is a principal many will die for. And have. It’s sad.

 

What's missing in your article is when the medical community was sufficiently supplied with those masks.
Until it was established the medical community is fully supplied, there were going to be restrictions to the general public.

 

Yes, sure he did. It was going to magically disappear in April of 2020 when the weather warmed up. Yep, trump had a way better grasp. Wow.

 

Already done. My links have shown manufacturers were advertising their product to the medical community. One link talked about employees of mask manufacturers going door to door at hospitals and medical facility suppliers to try and find buyers.

You ran out of excuses a long time ago. As I pointed out in the last post, even Joe Biden knew there was an oversupply.

 

No excuses were ever given.
Just facts.

 

You have provided NO facts supporting your position. You can’t because they don’t exist. The only facts you posted supported my posts, not yours. If you can show medical facilities were not aware of the glut of masks go ahead. I’ve provided multiple sources showing they were.

 

The facts are, you failed to prove the CDC lied.

 

Really? All the evidence supports the lie scenario.

As I’ve said, I’m fine with you believing they are profoundly incompetent. Either way you may decide to take charge of your own health. Not likely, but possibly. That’s all I care about.

 

I am fully in charge of my own health. Ad homs are posts the loser in a topic posts.

 

Not ad hominem. I really do want you to consider better information than what the CDC provides. It can save your life. The bad information has killed many. It’s not too late for others.

 

Some of us, myself included, have more curious and conspiratorial minds. We think like investigators, understanding what Madison was saying: "in truth, all men holding power OUGHT to be mistrusted."

 

You have to remember most have been trained and conditioned their whole lives to believe elites not only have the knowledge and intelligence to make decisions for society, but that the elites genuinely care about them enough to make good decisions as well.

 

In a time of universal deception, speaking the truth is a radical act.

When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts.

 

These are just a sample of the things the CDC/WHO/NIH/Fauci whiffed on:
Masks weren't needed...Masks were needed. Don't recommend quarantining the Covid-sick from the non-Covid sick...Don't recommend quarantining the highly susceptible to Covid from the not so highly susceptible to Covid. Describe mask wearing as the panacea to stop the spread and death from Covid infection. Deny that Covid came from a lab in China. Be greatly worried about number of cases and the lack of hospital resources when approx. 25% of the population are highly susceptible to Covid and that figure goes way down with effective vaccinations and proper quarantines (not the dopey quarantines which led to all the deaths in NY state nursing homes, for example).

Oh, I forgot, Fauci (the fool, the politician is a scientist's coat) declared in a speech to a black commencement audience that racism in America is the reason why a disproportionate number of blacks, for example, get Covid...That statement has to be one of Fauci's greatest WTF statements, IMO.

On the subject of a lack of hospital resources from the pandemic: Worrying about number of cases greatly overloads the hospital system. Besides, the fed gov't can provide additional hospital resources if needed (if governors would just use them and if the Biden Administration would provide them like the Trump Administration did).

The biggest drawback I see to the CDC/NIH/WHO/Fauci deleterious decision-making process is the, it seems, lack of critical thinking on their parts which makes them non-experts of pandemics (non-experts in critical thinking, at least).

 

Sooooo anecdotes are fine when we are talking about how the cousin of a friend of a friend over in Jamaica had swollen balls post vaccine ( well that was his excuse) but not ok when relating how crowded the hospitals have become?