What does Critical Race Theory teach?

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  1. bringiton

    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    Evidence?
     
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    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    No you don't.
    <yawn> I've spent nearly 20 years teaching in the classroom, have constructed tests as well as administering hundreds of them, and am familiar with both psychometrics and test construction methodology. You self-evidently are not.
    But have evidently not understood a blind bit of what you saw.
    More accurately, it doesn't work the way CRT says it works.
     
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    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    Oh, please.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    We have the data on arrests, convictions, and victim surveys that all show blacks commit over 50% of the murderers. While you have NO statistics to indicate they commit less than half. Nothing other than your oh so desperate need to believe it isnt so.
     
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    Gladwyne Elementary School—located in Lower Merion School District, one of the richest in the nation—will require fourth and fifth graders to read Not My Idea: A Book About Whiteness, which claims that white people who relate to police officers or decline to watch the news are complicit in racism.
    Pennsylvania District Mandates White Supremacy Lessons for Kindergartners (freebeacon.com)

    You can pout and stomp your feet all you want, reality continues on with or without your acceptance.
     
  6. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why do white people "like" to read more? What is there in skin color that makes reading more appealing to some people and not to others with a different skin color?

    Looks like you believe that just... saying things... is enough to make them "true". That "yes they do" or "no they don't" are actual arguments. So let's focus on this question. I predict that you won't answer this question. If you don't, then it will be clear to me that "yes they do" and "no they don't" is the best "reasoning" I will ever hope to get from you. So I don't waste my time anymore.
     
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    Adfundum Moderator Staff Member Donor

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    I'm very pleased that you have the experience, but in what ways are you challenging my comments?
     
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    Adfundum Moderator Staff Member Donor

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    Please explain.
     
  9. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    And you don't provide any quotes to illustrate this ghastly "brain washing". So we have to go to the article to try to find what terrible things they are teaching our children.

    And... ladies and gentlemen... here is what the article quotes to demonstrate a "Marxist" plot to take over the world and make our children zombies. Quick, if there are kids in the room, this is the moment to ask them to step out... Lest their innocent ears be "polluted" with this "socialist propaganda"....

    "[Racism] happens all the time," the book reads. "Sometimes it shows up in small ways. Like a look, a comment, a question, a thought, a joke, a word, or a belief…. If you see someone being treated badly, made fun of, excluded from playing, or looked down on because of their skin color call it racism."

    Oh! The humanity! How dare they say that looking down on somebody because of their skin color, or treating them badly or making fun of them... are forms of racism!

    It's the American way! Right?

    Oh, and bullies are the coolest kids in school, and the role model everybody should look up to. Don't let these "Marxists" convince you differently! I know this because Fox told me so....
     
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    The post was a reply to the claim the book was not being taught. Your post is beside the point.
     
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    Your argument here is dishonest. No where in the article does it talk focus on the part of "looking down on somebody because of their skin color, or treating them badly or making fun of them". It specifically talks about the part about asking questions being considered racist.

    You are taking the part that they quote from the book, and only taking that part...nothing else of the article, and acting as if the authors of the article were talking about the parts that YOU talked about. They weren't. Your argument was dishonest as shown by giving the whole context.
     
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    And dishonest ta boot.
     
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    It's not like it's been adopted as a state mandated required reading. If the local parents are ok with it, where's the problem? I personally don't like the book and feel that the ideas promoted are a bit over-the-top idealistic views of a White person trying to do some good. But the interpretation in the linked article is a bit more over-the-top than the author's.
     
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    Ive already supplied actual images from the book these kids are required to read regarding white peoples deal with the devil.
     
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    Its been adopted by the school as mandated required reading.
     
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    Asking a racist question is racist. "It was just a question" does not excuse racism.

    Of course, if you take it out of context and just say (like you do) "asking questions is racist", sounds more like your "hated" "Marxist propaganda" narrative that you are trying to push to undermine educating children so they don't grow up to be racists. Context foils the plan. So the opponents of anti-racism education take these phrases out of context. And they hate it when somebody like me shows them in context. It spoils your narrative, doesn't it?
     
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    Okay, but if those parents in that school are ok with it, why is it an issue? It's not like it's a nation wide or even state wide mandate.
    Not quite. I didn't say it wasn't being taught, I asked where it was being taught. What I said was CRT is not being taught. Although the book uses the concept of thinking critically about race, it is not CRT. The label has been hijacked and used more for political purpose than anything else.
     
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    Which is a FALSE narrative which is promoted only by those who oppose teaching kids not to be racist (for some unknown reason), and which invariably... always... relies on taking phrases out of context.
     
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    Exactly! This book (at least the portions quoted) is not CRT. CRT is not about individual acts of racism. It's about institutional racism. I'm sure that if children are educated to reject racism, that would ultimately help mitigate institutional racism. But they are different things. I think the main disagreement on this topic is due to some people not understanding the difference.
     
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    No where in the article or the quote from the book does it make any distinction about asking a racist question. It just states that asking a question is racist.

    And tell me, what IS a racist question that a 6-7 year old would ask? Please enlighten us what these common racist questions are that they ask.

    Now, going to acknowledge that your first post about that article was wrong? Or are you going to ignore it and just attempt to deflect?
     
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    I completely agree with that. It does seem that many people jump to short-thinking on issues like this. I believe it's because people like Rufo are intentionally promoting issues using outrage to support a political agenda. While I do see issues with much of this, Rufo and others like him are being dishonest.

    I also have to say that racism, as a term, is one that triggers emotions that stop the thinking process. While we can have racial attitudes, it doesn't really mean we're racist. I've argued before that it calling it bias is better because it doesn't have all the baggage associated with racism.

    The principle of thinking critically about things is inherent in us, but it's stifled by emotional responses. We have to promote those skills, but it can be problematic.
     
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    First of all, that's not just wrong. But it would make absolutely NO sense to any moderately intelligent individual. Even if they were in 4th or 5th grade. It is more than obvious that it's a strawman by somebody who simply opposes (for some unknown reason) teaching children not to commit racist acts.

    First of all, the book is NOT for 6-7 year old children. According to the article it's for 4th and 5th graders So, by twisting the facts being discussed, your intentions in this debate are becoming more and more apparent.

    I don't know about "common racist questions", but I'm sure you can think of many. So the only purpose I can think for making a question like that is to get me to write a racist question for you. Therefore it's clear that yours was not a serious question.

    My post was absolutely spot on! Do you have any questions about it? If you do, keep them to yourself. I only answer serious questions.
     
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    Yes. There are people who tell a racist joke to a very close circle of friends, not because the person or anybody there is racist... but just because they think it's funny. Books like this teach children that this is not acceptable if there is even the slightest possibility that it might insult somebody. In some cases they might not even be biased. Some people can make racist remarks, a slip of the tongue, or say something they didn't realize is racist, and that doesn't make them racists. Children do this all the time without intending their remarks to be racist. This is why I completely support teaching about books like this in elementary school. Not just because it teaches children to not grow up as racists, but to make them aware that certain remarks that they might think are innocuous may be offensive of others.
     
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    Images of two pages from the book is not a "FALSE narrative". Your labeling it as such couldnt be more meaningless other than to demonstrate your detachment from reality.
     
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    I'm not talking about the book. I'm talking about YOUR false remarks about the book.
     
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