U.S. judge blocks enforcement of near-total abortion ban in Texas

If I slap you, harming you, can you kill me? Harm like force can be met with equal harm or force. If the pregnancy is going to kill the mother then the mother under that principle of self defense can have the child killed in order to protect her life. No one is arguing different. But just because of an inconvenience of mere harm that does not trump the right to life.

Mircea
That's like saying one consented to drinking alcohol but didn't consent to the ensuing traffic accident that injured themselves and caused death or injury to others.

You
They didn't, they only consented to get drunk.

Mircea
Actions have consequences.

You
SO? YOU don't get to decide the consequences of other's acts...

But we do decide the consequences of someone consenting to get drunk and drive and killing someone else even thought they didn't choose to kill someone else. We decide consequences of LOTS or acts in which people engage and in many hold them responsible for them.

 

I recall predicting that the 5th circuit was going to squash the federal Obama appointee. Turns out, they did. Next.

 

YES, if that is the only way to stop the slapping, YES.

 

Nope, not unless it is imminently threatening your life or serious bodily harm.

 

Pregnancy causes serious bodily harm whether YOU agree or not...(YOU do NOT make the laws or the biology of pregnancy...)




....any of which is sufficient grounds to stop any way possible....and there is only one way in pregnancy, abortion.


SLAPPING may cause serious harm...

And the following constitutes serious bodily harm....ask a lawyer:


Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

• exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
• altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
• nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
• heartburn and indigestion
• constipation
• weight gain
• dizziness and light-headedness
• bloating, swelling, fluid retention
• hemmorhoids
• abdominal cramps
• yeast infections
• congested, bloody nose
• acne and mild skin disorders
• skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
• mild to severe backache and strain
• increased headaches
• difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
• increased urination and incontinence
• bleeding gums
• pica
• breast pain and discharge
• swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
  (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
• extreme pain on delivery
• hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
• continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)

Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

• stretch marks (worse in younger women)
• loose skin
• permanent weight gain or redistribution
• abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
• pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
• changes to breasts
• increased foot size
• varicose veins
• scarring from episiotomy or c-section
• other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
• increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
• loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
• higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
• newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)

Occasional complications and side effects:

• complications of episiotomy
• spousal/partner abuse
• hyperemesis gravidarum
• temporary and permanent injury to back
• severe scarring requiring later surgery
  (especially after additional pregnancies)
• dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
• pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
• eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
• gestational diabetes
• placenta previa
• anemia (which can be life-threatening)
• thrombocytopenic purpura
• severe cramping
• embolism (blood clots)
• medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
• diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
• mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
• serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
• hormonal imbalance
• ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
• broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
• hemorrhage and
• numerous other complications of delivery
• refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
• aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
• severe post-partum depression and psychosis
• research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
• research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
• research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease

Less common (but serious) complications:

• peripartum cardiomyopathy
• cardiopulmonary arrest
• magnesium toxicity
• severe hypoxemia/acidosis
• massive embolism
• increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
• molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
  (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
• malignant arrhythmia
• circulatory collapse
• placental abruption
• obstetric fistula

More permanent side effects:

• future infertility
• permanent disability
• death.

Now stop beating this dead horse... TALK to a LAWYER

 

"...imminently threatening your life or serious bodily harm."

 

I don't know how much more IMMINENTLY being pregnant can be.


If someone slapped another person for 9 months and the only way to stop them was to kill them they could...SLAPPING may cause serious harm...

Now stop beating this dead horse... TALK to a LAWYER....I'm done with your repetitive circle jerk...

 

The ruling should be evaluated on its merits, if incorrect on the merits it should be repealed post haste without any concern whatsoever for how long the incorrect ruling has been squatting in the law.

I'm as pro-choice as they come but my own personal views are no excuse for bad jurisprudence. The court is sworn to honestly interpret the law, not make it.

 

Pregnancy is not an imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm, try running that by lawyer.

 

NOTHING in #141 supported THIS bogus SIMPLISTIC allegation of yours;

And NEITHER does it support YOUR bogus allegation about me.



FACTS matter!

 

Any COMPETENT lawyer will use the INDISPUTABLE FACT that out of every 100,000 pregnancies more 17 women will DIE and 12,000 will SUFFER from SIGNIFICANT complications that can cause SERIOUS harm that will affect them for the REST of their LIVES.

Those STATISTICS are FACTUAL and are EVIDENCE of the "imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm" that the SCrOTUS did take into account when STIPULATING in RvW that the LIFE and HEALTH of the woman ALWAYS takes PRECEDENCE over that of the fetus.

FACTS matter!

 

Pregnancy is not an imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm, try running that by lawyer.

Facts matter.

 

Yea they do try reading them more slowly.

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA!

Clearly there is an IMPERVIOUS barrier between the FACTS and the content of your posts.

SAD!

 

I cannot read it as slowly as it was typed because I have a life.

 

Pregnancy is not an imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm, try running that by lawyer.

Facts matter.

 

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA!

REPEATING your DEBUNKED fallacy is just SAD!

It essentially PROVES my point.

Strike One!

 

In spite of your exaggeration, she consented to the possible consequences.

I do understand you're left-wing and no one is ever responsible for anything they do, because it's everyone else's fault, but that is not reality.

And, they consented to those actions which they understood the consequences.

You're right, I don't, but those consequences exist whether I exist or not.

I don't need to call a lawyer. I do this stuff all the time.

That is a Straw Man. You have made a misrepresentation of the argument.

That's why I don't need to call a lawyer. We're talking about the foreseeable consequences using the most reasonable person standard.

Obviously, you have extreme difficulty differentiating between a person normally operating a motor vehicle with a duty of care, and a person operating a motor vehicle under the influence of alcohol or drugs, or knowing that the brakes are faulty, or otherwise engaged in behaviors for which an accident is a foreseeable consequence by a reasonable person.

Life itself is harmful to people.

What's your point?

 

Next is the SCOTUS, as the DOJ just did (or will on Monday)... avoiding any further interactions with the completely useless 5th circuit...

Now we'll see how useless this current SCOTUS is...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/texas-abortion-law-doj-will-ask-texas-to-block.html

Now that there is a legitimate judicial decision on the books, I'm curious to see how they can refuse Texas women their constitutional rights, at least until they eventually have to decide this issue once and for all (or so we once thought)

 

Xiden is less likely to win in the SCOTUS. Then what? Crying?

 

Rebalancing... I've been neutral on rebalancing, but if the SCOTUS completely fails to do the right and only thing here, it's time to find people who will...

 

The tyranny of you? LOL. You have a very grand opinion of yourself. So when you say "rebalancing", aren't you really inciting violence? Isn't that what you're getting at?

 

Do you know what is meant by rebalancing in relation to the SCOTUS?

I'm assuming not...

There's a movement out there to add 4 seats to the makeup of the SCOTUS, since nowhere in law is the number 9 set in stone and since the Republicans stole a seat that is clearly adversely impacting decisions... President Biden would appoint all 4 seats and Roberts would remain chief...

Another option would be to remove one of the 3 most recent seats, and I would assume it would be Gorsuch, which would be a bit unfair, since he's not the worst newbie on there, but his was the stolen seat...

https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion...0210414-rv6xxdsc55dsjn5v2cjltnoumi-story.html

 

LOL.. Yes, you mean court packing. Do you really think Xiden has the juice to add 4 new justices? Really? And who's constitutionally allowed to "remove" sitting judges? Go ahead, flounder. You exemplify the adage that the only way liberals win is when they cheat. And here you are.

 

We have to keep up with the masters... 2016 was magna cum laude cheating...

Any judge, including a SCOTUS member, can be impeached by Congress... It's been done before and it can be done again...