The United States has regained respect.

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  1. spiritgide

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    Anybody ahead of the curve gets criticized as if they were behind it. Happens everyday; most people don't know the difference. Used to it.
     
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    Well, of course. Instead of Trump telling them to pay their NATO share, they have Goofus Biden to mock and laugh at. No irony that his popularity at home is crashing.
     
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    June 5, 2004, 4:43 PM MST / Source: The Associated Press


    He stunned the Soviet Union with his tough rhetoric, calling it an “evil empire” whose leaders gave themselves the “right to commit any crime.”

    His famed “Star Wars” program drew the Soviets into a costly arms race it couldn’t afford. His 1987 declaration to Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev at the Berlin Wall — “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall” — was the ultimate challenge of the Cold War.

    Ronald Reagan’s determination to destroy communism and the Soviet Union was a hallmark of his eight-year presidency, carried out through a harsh nuclear policy toward Moscow that softened only slightly when Gorbachev came to office.

    He is vividly remembered in Russia today as the force that precipitated the Soviet collapse.

    “Reagan bolstered the U.S. military might to ruin the Soviet economy, and he achieved his goal,” said Gennady Gerasimov, who served as top spokesman for the Soviet Foreign Ministry during the 1980s.


    Reagan’s agenda toward Moscow started shortly after the start of his first term — and marked a major departure from the mild detente of the Jimmy Carter administration.

    In 1981, Reagan backed his rhetoric with a trillion dollar defense buildup. U.S.-Soviet arms control talks collapsed, and the two nations targeted intermediate-range nuclear missiles at each other across the Iron Curtain in Europe.

    The deployment of the U.S. missiles in Europe rattled the Kremlin’s nerves, because of the shorter time they needed to reach targets in the Soviet Union compared to intercontinental missiles deployed in the United States.

    In an even bigger shock to the Kremlin, Reagan in 1983 launched an effort to build a shield against intercontinental ballistic missiles involving space-based weapons.

    The Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), dubbed “Star Wars,” dumped the previous doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction that assumed that neither side would start a nuclear war because it would not be able to avoid imminent destruction.

    Even though Reagan’s “Star Wars” never led to the deployment of an actual missile shield, it drew the Soviets into a costly effort to mount a response. Many analysts agree that the race drained Soviet coffers and triggered the economic difficulties that sped up the Soviet collapse in 1991.

    “Reagan’s SDI was a very successful blackmail,” Gerasimov told The Associated Press. “The Soviet Union tried to keep up pace with the U.S. military buildup, but the Soviet economy couldn’t endure such competition.”
     
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    Well- I agree. If they would get the hell out of the way, private efforts and results would jump dramatically.
    The constitution was designed to give the federal government only certain powers. Things not specifically granted are outside that. It also say that outside those limited powers, the state has precedence.
    Not sure if the reading level of politicians has dropped so low they no longer comprehend this, or they just don't care if we like it or not. Might be both....
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And a sucker is always welcomed and told how wise he is to buy the wagon, which is only $200.
    Then if he doesn't flinch... And the wheels, which are $200.
    If he still remains happy..... Each.

    This is why the con artists and predators in this country prey so heavily on the people with diminishing capacity.
     
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    1. Gallup Poll: Reagan Greatest American President In History ...
      https://themoderatevoice.com/gallup-poll-reagan...
      Sep 18, 2021 · In the eight times Gallup has asked this same “greatest president” question over the last 12 years, one of three presidents — Lincoln, Reagan, and Kennedy — has topped the list each time ...

      SIMI VALLEY —

      Former Polish President Lech Walesa swept through the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library on Monday, launching a three-week tour of the United States by praising the former American president’s role in the fall of communism.

      Poland owes its freedom partly to Reagan, Walesa told a crowd of nearly 400 college students and Ventura County Republican faithful gathered at the library for a daylong conference on “The Reagan Legacy.”

      “His policy supporting the freedom movement in Central and Eastern Europe provided us with a very strong backing” for the Solidarity movement that eventually ended Communist rule in Poland, Walesa said through an interpreter.
    Walesa Pays Tribute to Reagan's Legacy - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)
     
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    Meanwhile nine months in France has pulled their am ambassador and Britain and Germany will no longer talk to us.
     
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    I think the Left hate Reagan so much because he is so popular with the Right. Much like Trump is today.
     
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    "Trying to bankrupt the Soviets" ?? - The Soviets were already broke .. the result of decades of Communism - having nothing to do with Reagan ..

    Ronnie and Gorbachov did manage to get some nuclear arms agreements sign ed .. a good thing - but , what part of "Reagan then did a complete 180 on MAD" did you miss from post you are responding to ?

    Central America was an unmitigated disaster - Nicaragua/Contras - and arming Death Squad dictators in El Salvador/Guatamala to put down the popular uprising .. in the name of "Fighting Communism" .. similar to the "Russia Russia" trope we hear today.

    Afghanistan turned out to be a disaster - turning that nation into a extremist Jihadist wonderland - arm in arm with Brother El Saud.
     
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    Well sir, it seems like you and the Soviet Union completely disagree on that. They say he did, as I have posted their remarks
     
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    A disaster for Central America? Up until Obama, the Russians and Chinese were out of Central America. So I don't believe you can call it a disaster what Reagan did.
     
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    The only ones screaming Russia, Russia, Russia has been the Democrats calling Trump Putin's puppet, when the fact is, Trump was hader on Russia than Obama. Obama was always giving into Russia.
     
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    (Lets look and see who has really given into the Russians. The bias news won't tell you.

    Obama Appeases Putin By Ending U.S. Broadcasts Into Russia ...
    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/...
    Liberty: U.S. radio broadcasts to Russians are to end. With President Obama's friend Vladimir Putin getting a dubious 64% in a five-way presidential race in March, this is no time to pretend Russia...


    Did Obama Pledge ‘More Flexibility’ Toward Russia After ...
    https://www.snopes.com/fact.../obama-more-flexibility-russia

    Dec 13, 2016 · A hot microphone picked up President Obama telling Russian President Dmitri Medvedev he would have more flexibility to negotiate on issues like


    The Anti-Obama: Trump Selling Missile Defense To Poland ...
    https://www.dailywire.com/.../anti-obama-trump-selling... When Barack Obama capitulated to Russia in 2010 by removing missile launchers in Poland that neared the Russian border? There’s a new sheriff in town. On Wednesday, the Polish state news agency PAP reported that Poland’s government will buy the Patriot missile defense system from the U.S.

    Trump in Poland: U.S. To Sell Warsaw Arms to Stop 'Hot …
    ://www.newsweek.com/trump-Poland-Warsaw-us-arms-Russia... A move set to counter Russia’s reinforcement on NATO's borders, Poland and the U.S. Have agreed that Warsaw will purchase the American-made Patriot air defense missile, the Polish government announced Thursday. Trump delighted many in Poland when he announced he would be visiting the country .


    Trump Sends Tank-Killing Missile To Fight Russia in ...
    ://www.newsweek.com/trump-tank-killing-missile-fight... Trump administration approved the sale of anti-tank missiles to Ukraine on Friday as it continues to fight pro-Russian forces in the eastern part of the country, a move that has angered the Kremlin and signifies the U.S. …
    The President of Ukraine asked Obama for weapons to defend his country against Russian backed Ukrainian insurgents wanting to take over the country. Obama gave them food, uniforms, trucks,night vision glasses and blankets. NO WEAPONS. The Ukrainian President said later, you can't fight a war with blankets. Trump gave them the weapons.


    Trump admin announced fresh sanctions on Russia - CNNPolitics
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/26/politics/us-russia-sanctions...
    Jan 26, 2018 · The Trump administration announced new sanctions Friday related to Russia's occupation of Crimea and ongoing violence in eastern Ukraine, just days ahead of a congressionally mandated deadline for ...


    Trump administration withdraws from U.S.-Russia nuclear weapons ...
    https://www.usatoday.com/.../trump.../2737306002/
    1 day ago - Trump administration withdraws from nuclear weapons treaty, .... Closely review the security implications of Russian intermediate-range missiles and ... Theme he has hit on since Trump's decision to nix the Iran nuclear accord, .
    The Left bitched because he got tough with our NATO Allies. Said he was driving our Allies away. Both Bush and Obama tried to get NATO to put their fair share into a very weak NATO without success. Trump got it and we didn't lose them. ( Nato members increase defense spending by $100 billion ...
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/27/nato-members-increase-defence-spending-100...

    Jan 27, 2019 · Nato states will increase their defense spending by $100 billion in response to Donald Trump's demands that European allies shoulder a greater financial burden, the …
    Author: Julie Allen


    NATO head praises Trump for tough talk to member countries
    https://nypost.com/2019/01/27/nato-head-praises-trump-for-tough-talk-to-member-countries

    Jan 27, 2019 · WASHINGTON – The head of NATO on Sunday praised President Trump for demanding member countries pony up more money, saying Trump’s tough talk has produced “real results.” “President Trump .


    U.S. Says It Has Thwarted $6 Billion Russia-Germany Gas ...
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-15/...
    Feb 15, 2020 · Trump has assailed Germany for giving “billions” to Russia for gas while it benefits from U.S. protection. Nord Stream 2’s owners had invested 5.8 …


    Trump knew Russia interfered into our election, but...……... The news reporters put Trump in position to say he believed Russia didn't try and influence our elections. He knew better. What was he to do with Putin sitting right next to him after Putin denied it, call him a liar to his face? At the time Trump was trying to play nice with Putin. He needed his and China's help to enforce sanctions on N. Korea to get them to give up their nuclear weapons. Calling him a liar to his face would do nothing to accomplish that
     
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    Putin's delay in acknowledging Biden's victory is understandable.

    His conspiring to help him and hurt Clinton in 2016 was justified by the alienation of allies he incited, the international loathing he fomented, and by the Cry Baby Loser's persistence in crapping on democracy.

    The renewed respect for the U.S. that Gallup documented had been apparent previously:

     
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    Contest I would think, sort of like "Race to the bottom" ;)
     
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    I don't think I laughed any harder than at your premise. Trump demanded things from other world leaders. Biden gives them things. And you surprised they like Biden better?
     
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    Preposterous nonsense --- China and Russia were not out .. nor in - you are making up nonsense .. and who are we to determine whether nor not Russia/China should visit these nations... what a fkn joke .. Please detail the relations between Russia/China and the Death Squad dictator in El Salvador at the time -- who assassinated a Catholic Priest by the name of Romero == along with a bunch of nuns -- the priest speaking out against the atrocities .. and there is a movie about him .. think woods is in that if memory serves.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvadoran_Civil_War

    This was a popular uprising of the people - having nothing to do with China or Russia - other than being left wing movements -- fighting against the oppression of the Oligopolies who were raping the nation.

    but ohhh.. their Commie bastards these peasants .. lets drag their children over barbed wire "Until the flesh hung from their bones" in front of their parents .. that will teach em .. yeah .. thats it.

    You have no clue what you are talking about.
     
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    Trump wasn't liked abroad, that is true. He made a lot of nations mad when he demanded most NATO nations start putting there fair share into NATO and stop relying on America to carry most of the load. He told nations constantly borrowing from us that if they keep taking the money and voting against us at the U.N. he would cut them off from any more money. He told the UN don't make up laws and expect America to follow them. That the American people are the only ones that has the right to make up their own. He ticked many off insisting that their trade agreements were unfair and must be done over. I am sure there was many others things he demanded that ticked a lot of people off. But he didn't run to win a personality contest. He ran to turn America around from the bad direction Obama and others had taken us through the years. He could see American had been taken advantage of and it hurt us competing in a world market. It hurt NATO, it was weakening us as a country. He was determined to change that and he did. So what do you want, America to be liked or America to be strong and be respected to the point the world knows, we won't be taken advantage anymore. America comes first.
     
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    He was a blowhard who alienated NATO allies, which was why Putin conspired to help him and hurt Clinton in the 2016 election. The cry baby loser's crapping on the democratic process after he lost was a bonus.

    America is far stronger when it earns the respect of democratic allies.

    The blatant reality of President Obama's completing two terms with 59% public approval and the Cry Baby Loser being dumped after one with 34% speaks for itself.
     
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    That's almost exactly what went through my mind when I read the OP and saw that first pic.

    Love that the Canadian Hair Pony is right there in the front row being all approvy, meantime. And Angela the sour cat lady! Dishevelled Boris in the middle .. the biggest dandy of the lot, but somehow managing to look just the opposite.
     
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    Yes, but it was some time ago now. You may want to skip ahead to the present?
     
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    Oh nooooooz .. not alienation from Fop Boy? Won't someone think of the children :cry:
     
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    Now THAT'S the funniest thing I've read here in a long time.

    Let's Go, Brandon!
     
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    Yes he was a blow hard, but he got things done. He told NATO if they didn't start putting in their fair share, he was pulling us out of NATO and they could defend themselves. Guess what? They put in a 100 billion dollars.

    Russia didn't want Hillary because she was ready to start a war with Russia by putting a no fly zone over Syria and that her officers told that would cause a war with Russia and she didn't believe it. Russia had moved anti aircraft missiles into Syria and brought in their only aircraft carrier. Hillary insisted it wouldn't draw Russia into a war. The Russians didn't want her.

    1. Media Blackout: Hillary Calls for Killing 'a Lot of ...
      https://theantimedia.com/hillary-no-fly-zone-civilians-war-r
      If Hillary Clinton wants to successfully establish a no-fly zone in Syria, she will have to bomb Russian air defenses. In turn, as Russia has promised, it will shoot down American aircraft that threaten its military presence in Syria. And there you have it, folks: Hillary Clinton’s war with Russia.
     
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