U.S. judge blocks enforcement of near-total abortion ban in Texas

So unless you can admit that you posted """ you say it's not alive"""

then it was you who has an "impasse"



BTW, WHO is "we" ?


FoxHastings said: ↑
Here's one from the list :

YOU posted : """ you say it's not alive"""

...and NO ONE SAID IT WASN'T ALIVE....NO ONE.....and you NEVER proved anyone did ...

so you were WRONG

 

I call a ZEF a ZEF because that's what it is...why are you terrified to call it what it is???

Do you refer to teenagers as toddlers? Really!!

 

Well I'm glad you finally admit that it is a separate life to that of the mother and should be respected as such.

 

The zef is only a label given to the stage of growth the individual is on, on their journey to adult hood. You are correct. It's not much different to that of a baby to a toddler to a teenager...

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
So unless you can admit that you posted """ you say it's not alive"""

then it was you who has an "impasse"



BTW, WHO is "we" ?


FoxHastings said: ↑
Here's one from the list :

YOU posted : """ you say it's not alive"""

...and NO ONE SAID IT WASN'T ALIVE....NO ONE.....and you NEVER proved anyone did ...

so you were WRONG

I'm so glad you admit you were wrong and realize women have rights, too, even if you don't want them to have rights..


YOU posted : """ you say it's not alive"""

...and NO ONE SAID IT WASN'T ALIVE....NO ONE.....and you NEVER proved anyone did ...

so you were WRONG

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
I call a ZEF a ZEF because that's what it is...why are you terrified to call it what it is???

Do you refer to teenagers as toddlers? Really!!

LOL, so everything on earth has "only a label"...nothing has a name, just a "label" ?? HILARIOUS!


.

Oh, I am sorry you don't seem to know the difference between a baby and a teenager....maybe you could find someone to explain...so you don't try to burp a teenager and hire a baby to babysit that teen !!!!

 

Once something is conceived. That's it. It's been created. It's not a "well it has to develop five fingers and five toes first!" kind of thing. It will if allowed to because it IS. You calling it a ZEF doesn't change the reality that it IS. It exists. It is real and unlike anything else you want to compare it too, it will grow into a full grown adult because it is a human life.

And I'm glad you finally agree with that!

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alive
"knowing or realizing the existence of something"

I'm glad you finally agree with me then! It's about time you came around!

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
So unless you can admit that you posted """ you say it's not alive"""

then it was you who has an "impasse"



BTW, WHO is "we" ?


FoxHastings said: ↑
Here's one from the list :

YOU posted : """ you say it's not alive"""

...and NO ONE SAID IT WASN'T ALIVE....NO ONE.....and you NEVER proved anyone did ...

so you were WRONG




I'm so glad you admit you were wrong and realize women have rights, too, even if you don't want them to have rights..


YOU posted : """ you say it's not alive"""

...and NO ONE SAID IT WASN'T ALIVE....NO ONE.....and you NEVER proved anyone did ...

so you were WRONG

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to repost this :


FoxHastings said: ↑
So unless you can admit that you posted """ you say it's not alive"""

then it was you who has an "impasse"



BTW, WHO is "we" ?


FoxHastings said: ↑
Here's one from the list :

YOU posted : """ you say it's not alive"""

...and NO ONE SAID IT WASN'T ALIVE....NO ONE.....and you NEVER proved anyone did ...

so you were WRONG




I'm so glad you admit you were wrong and realize women have rights, too, even if you don't want them to have rights..


YOU posted : """ you say it's not alive"""

...and NO ONE SAID IT WASN'T ALIVE....NO ONE.....and you NEVER proved anyone did ...

so you were WRONG

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
I call a ZEF a ZEF because that's what it is...why are you terrified to call it what it is???

Do you refer to teenagers as toddlers? Really!!


LOL, so everything on earth has "only a label"...nothing has a name, just a "label" ?? HILARIOUS!


.Oh, I am sorry you don't seem to know the difference between a baby and a teenager....maybe you could find someone to explain...so you don't try to burp a teenager and hire a baby to babysit that teen !!!!

Your continued, attempts to paint my response as anything other what I actually said demonstrate the inability on your part to do anything but make things up,


I call a ZEF a ZEF because that's what it is...why are you terrified to call it what it is???

Do you refer to teenagers as toddlers? Really!!


LOL, so everything on earth has "only a label"...nothing has a name, just a "label" ?? HILARIOUS!


.Oh, I am sorry you don't seem to know the difference between a baby and a teenager....maybe you could find someone to explain...so you don't try to burp a teenager and hire a baby to babysit that teen !!!!

 

The ENTIRE CRUX of this entire thread's dispute is your inability to classify the "zef" as alive. Meaning, as it's own unique life form. Not "alive" as in dead or live tissue. That's why your attempt at a gotcha with that point is weak and ill conceived.

I've stated many pages ago that it's pointless to continue this discussion as you haven't presented a valid argument to convince me that it ISN'T a unique human life separate from the mother, though dependant on the mother.

Thanks for playing, but we really are at an end of this discussion

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
I call a ZEF a ZEF because that's what it is...why are you terrified to call it what it is???

Do you refer to teenagers as toddlers? Really!!


LOL, so everything on earth has "only a label"...nothing has a name, just a "label" ?? HILARIOUS!


.Oh, I am sorry you don't seem to know the difference between a baby and a teenager....maybe you could find someone to explain...so you don't try to burp a teenager and hire a baby to babysit that teen !!!!




Your continued, attempts to paint my response as anything other what I actually said demonstrate the inability on your part to do anything but make things up,


I call a ZEF a ZEF because that's what it is...why are you terrified to call it what it is???

Do you refer to teenagers as toddlers? Really!!


LOL, so everything on earth has "only a label"...nothing has a name, just a "label" ?? HILARIOUS!


.Oh, I am sorry you don't seem to know the difference between a baby and a teenager....maybe you could find someone to explain...so you don't try to burp a teenager and hire a baby to babysit that teen !!!!

Nope, here's the crux and the point and the proof:

YOU posted : """ you say it's not alive"""

...and NO ONE SAID IT WASN'T ALIVE....NO ONE.....and you NEVER proved anyone did ...

so you were WRONG.



I have NEVER said the ZEF is not alive as you AGAIN claim here :

YOU: """your inability to classify the "zef" as alive. """"


YOU HAVE NO PROOF I EVER SAID THAT

 

That's not how this works. You do not get to decide my meaning of the word "life" or "alive" as clearly the debate of this entire thread isn't about tissue being "alive" in the sense it's not dead tissue. but more about if it is considered a unique life to that of the mother. That's the entire argument.



So with that said, you have two choices now that you understand the meaning of the using the word "alive" or "life". (though you should have known this all along since you've been arguing against it in nearly every abortion thread, lol)

your choices are;

either it's not "life" or "alive"
or
it is and you finally agree with me and with that acknowledgement now comes the weight of responsibility of having created "life" and that one shouldn't simply have it killed because of inconvenience.

Enjoy!

 

Yes, and one man's interpretation of the law is another man's making of the law.

Well, if it has withstood 50 years, that tells me that it has been evaluated on it's merits, and has withstood the test of time.

Besides, without legislation, case law is effectively law. until it's overruled. So, in a sense, judges do make law, as it were.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
I call a ZEF a ZEF because that's what it is...why are you terrified to call it what it is???

Do you refer to teenagers as toddlers? Really!!


LOL, so everything on earth has "only a label"...nothing has a name, just a "label" ?? HILARIOUS!


.Oh, I am sorry you don't seem to know the difference between a baby and a teenager....maybe you could find someone to explain...so you don't try to burp a teenager and hire a baby to babysit that teen !!!!




Your continued, attempts to paint my response as anything other what I actually said demonstrate the inability on your part to do anything but make things up,


I call a ZEF a ZEF because that's what it is...why are you terrified to call it what it is???

Do you refer to teenagers as toddlers? Really!!


LOL, so everything on earth has "only a label"...nothing has a name, just a "label" ?? HILARIOUS!


.Oh, I am sorry you don't seem to know the difference between a baby and a teenager....maybe you could find someone to explain...so you don't try to burp a teenager and hire a baby to babysit that teen !!!!



Nope, here's the crux and the point and the proof:

YOU posted : """ you say it's not alive"""

...and NO ONE SAID IT WASN'T ALIVE....NO ONE.....and you NEVER proved anyone did ...

so you were WRONG.



I have NEVER said the ZEF is not alive as you AGAIN claim here :

YOU: """your inability to classify the "zef" as alive. """"


YOU HAVE NO PROOF I EVER SAID THAT

I do enjoy your reposting of my post showing how wrong you are!

See, in English they have different words for different things. Different words have different meanings and you can't just wave a magic wand and say one word is exactly the same as another.

There are two words, "alive" and "life" and they do not mean the same thing no matter how much you try to squirm out of it...

 

While that's true, I just pasted to you the meaning of the word life and alive of which I was referring too straight from the Webster's dictionary.



https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/life
: the ability to grow, change, etc., that separates plants and animals from things like water or rocks

 

Here's a movie using the word "life" as in reference to the same meaning...
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5442430/

Interesting isn't it? (and a great movie)

 

If your average women cannot detect a fetus within the 6 week period allowed by this new law, then, for all intents and purposes, it effectively serves as a ban.

 

Except it isn't. A woman can get an abortion at 3 months go and present evidence to the police and nothing will happen to her.

 

I was told 6 weeks. No?

If that is true, then It's an 'effective ban' because the period allowed by the new law is insufficient for your average woman to suspect she is pregnant..

 

3 months is longer than six weeks that was the point.

We'll try this again.

A woman can have an abortion at six MONTHS, (yes I said months yes it's longer than six weeks that is the point) present all the evidence to the police and nothing will happen to her.

It isn't a ban of any kind. Read the law.

 

Okay, here is the law:

Section 171.203 (Page 3): A physician may not knowingly perform or induce an abortion on a pregnant woman unless the physician has determined, in accordance with this section, whether the woman’s unborn child has a detectable fetal heartbeat

One more ****ing time:

A 'detectable fetal heartbeat' is around 6 weeks after gestation. Given that few women are able to detect that they are pregnant that early, what that means is that the law is an effective ban on most abortions.

"effective". What that means in my post here is 'for all intents and purposes', which is to say, the real world actual practical result.

See, Polydectes, to spell it out for you, 'for all intents and purposes' means that that law doesn't actually say '6 weeks' but 'detectable heart beat' is about six weeks, and since most women do not know they are pregnant until well past that time, they won't be able to get an abortion.

the net result (the 'effective' result) is that the vast majority of the time, abortions will be banned.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/sep/1/texas-6-week-abortion-ban-takes-effect-high-court-/

The law prohibits abortions after a fetal heartbeat is detected, usually around six weeks of gestation.


https://www.nytimes.com/article/abortion-law-texas.html

• 
  
  • Almost all abortions are banned.
  • The law makes exceptions for ‘medical emergencies.’
  • Patients cannot be sued, but those who help a patient can be.
  • The law may reach beyond Texas’ border.
  • Few defenses are available.
  • Successful plaintiffs will get $10,000 and their legal fees reimbursed.
  • Texas officials legally insulated themselves.
  • Lawyers are discouraged from challenging the law.
  • The bill tries to dictate what judges can do.
  • If part of the law falls, the rest stands.

 

Once again I understand the time frame you're not getting it.

This isn't a ban on abortions. Not even abortions after the heartbeat has been detected. You need to read from page 1 don't start at page 3.

are you understood you the first time you said it it's just false.

there's no need I understood it's just false.

It's not a comprehension issue. You don't know what the law says it does not establish any criminal act so therefore it's not a ban.

 

This PREVENTS any doctor from PERFORMING an abortion if there is a "heartbeat".

That is a de facto BAN on elective abortions from that point forward, period.

No amount of EQUIVOCATION alters the INTENT of that wording.

The doctor could be SUED which is a de facto BAN on abortions.

 

not necessarily. They might not perform them because they don't want to face civil liability.

No it isn't. A band would make it a criminal act form the abortion or to have one performed that's not the case.

Why should doctors that perform abortions have some sort of special civil protection that other doctors don't? I would save someone who performs heart surgery is probably more important to the medical profession than someone who terminates pregnancy.