Which Christian denominations have we got here?

You are correct for one of the Jesus archetypes. The good man.

That does not take away what the mean Jesus as god archetype promises.

What is Armageddon if not a pending genocide promised by Jesus through the bible?

Regards
DL

 

That is why I am trying to focus more on the loony fringes on both wings.

The right is what is fighting for homophobia and misogyny.

The conservative (of sins), the right, are who are wrong in these issues.

Regards
DL

 

I disagree.

Don't know what you mean by Armageddon. Are you referring to Ragnarock?

Running water and electricity?

Odin?

Church of Odin?

People who hate homosexuals and women. Wow, where are those people? Are you one of those people? Seems like a lot of self-hate.

What did Jesus do to you, man? Did he come to you in a dream and beat you up?

 

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What if some deserve insult?

Can I insult Koresh type church and it's members?

Regards
DL

 

When I was young, the Catholics believed that all Baptists were going to hell, and the Baptists believed that all Catholics were going to hell.

There was though pressure on non Catholics to convert, so that Orthodox as well as Protestants were discouraged from attending a Catholic Church. If I recall correctly it had to do with the misinterpretation of a Catholic Church doctrine, and later on the bishop who misinterpreted it was excommunicated. That misconception has remained in the minds of many Protestants.

In this day and age when Christianity is fighting a neo pagan world, it's surprising that people still exist with that kind of mentality, but then again it's been embedded in them for so many years.

I don't know if you ever heard of Billy Graham. When he was young and planning to speak in a Church tent revival, he was under immense pressure to tell everyone that they must become Baptist. He refused to bow to it, and that's why I think the miracle happened.

A women who was praying for Graham's success decided to call the newspaper publisher William Randolph Hearst. To her surprise, the publisher himself picked up the phone and decided to push Billy Graham in all of his newspapers. Because of that he became world famous - even speaking in the Soviet Union.

People are elitist because we can't get out of ourselves. It's called fundamentalism and it's spiritual immaturity. But God is not an elitist. This though doesn't mean that the theology in all the faiths is correct - how can it be when there are languages and semantics involved. But hopefully the differences will be resolved.

 

What, are you trying out for the part of the kid in a remake of the Exorcist?

 

Tis a rare day that I get new information on this subject .. Not that I had not thought about "Pontifex Maximus" both Priest and King .. speaking "God's Word" - usurping the position of the Logos.

I realized this was true during Constantines time .. Creates a new state religion -- puts himself as head of it .. the connection of Jesus to the Sun God - was readilly accepted by the people .. who had Sol Invictus celebrations on the steps of St Peters for a couple centuries after Constantine .. but did not realize -- well kind of did but did not think about it - that was the King/Emperor who was head of the church for many generations after Constantine .. who had a big statue of himself - depited as a God/ God-Man ..

OK .. so .. up until Constantine - well ..lets say 50 years prior .. you had no one believing Jesus was "The Father" all the early Church fathers were subordinantists .. believed Jesus was subordinate to the father .. So .. everyone still believes in The Most High .. and well .. association with the Sun .. just natural to assume the Sun God is the Most High .. or some representation of the emanation from the Most High Godhead .. Which is why we have Jesus represented with Sun disk .. comes from that time .. Jesus was a soldier/messenger of the Sun God .. as per belief .. and so represented as such. and also Arian Christianity carried on for centuries .. The Visigoths sacking rome - and taking over round 450 AD were Arians ..

And to your point - yes .. Pontifex Maximus is the root of all evil ... or at least most of it ..

 

I would not say that Armaggeddon does the same for Jesus .. at all and the only thing Jesus said about homosexuality was - live and let live .. love neighbor as self .. judge not lest you be judged - let ye without sin cast first rock.

 

I wonder if the Cross I had posted burned him? It's the one thing they fear the most. What I noticed about the 'entities' is that they always lack logic and consistency - and yet even without it they are powerful. (I've had my experiences). Also when being exorcized they do tend to throw insults at Christ and His mother.

Jesus said that you will know the tree by the fruit it bears, and that if the fruit is bad, then the tree is bad, and if the fruit is good, then the the tree is good.

Well since you see the fruit as being bad, we'll just have to go back to our pagan roots with it's human sacrifices; throwing one's first born into the fire to please the gods; using Christians as human torches to light up the stadiums; crucifying prisoners, entombing daughters into bridges to keep them from falling, sewing up criminals in animal stomachs so the maggots could eat them alive, etc., etc.

Anyway it takes a long time for people to grow morally and spiritually - and even with all the love and sacrifices of the Saints, some people never do make it. Humanity did advance somewhat in the past centuries, but I guess with all the modern paganism, we'll be in for another cleansing. This time I read, only 1/3 of humanity will survive. The war drums are starting to beat louder and louder..


Never judge a tree by its stature,
nor the power of the name it wears.
One's judgement should only come,
through the merits of the fruit it bears.

-Jeannette​

 

That's (my bold) very much what I hope for, when I attend mass! I'm there for the 'god experience' only. It spoils the moment for me if someone intrudes upon it to make small talk.

An example of how valuable that 'private in public' thing is to Catholics, is seen in urban churches everywhere. No matter what time of day, you'll find people quietly praying alone. You know by looking that they really don't want to be interrupted or intruded upon, other than perhaps to exchange a quick greeting with the cleric on duty on the way in or out. I've rarely seen people do this in protestant churces, even those that are open to all.

 

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Yes but when we pray, we use the Lord's prayer as a model, but we pray from the heart. We generally don't do pat prayers and we pray privately in all things but we also pray corporately. No man is an island to himself. We are the Body of Christ and we need each other. Admittedly I don't know much about Catholicism other than the fact they do not accept my Communion. I go to Church because corporate worship is a big thing to me.

 

Now how about some facts by the ones who recorded history as they saw and knew it, rather than the interpretations of translators who lived over a thousand years later, and who tossed out whatever didn't conform to their own contemporary views. I'm thinking of Gibbons here - as well as others.

Saint Constantine stopped the persecution of Christians, which had been going on for centuries, and since Christianity grows when it's under persecution, (thanks to the greater presence of our Lord), Christians were probably in the majority by the 4th century.

Saint Constantine did two things of importance, one was that he eliminated the heresies - especially the Arian heresy which was quite prominent in Spain and seems to have become part of Islam later on - or at least according to the Muslims.

Saint Constantine, by calling for an Ecumenical Council of all the Bishops in the world, enabled them to unify and establish the true beliefs of the Christian faith. The fact that they were all in agreement without dissension, established Our Creed as the work of the Holy Spirit.

This by the way, is why the Orthodox Churches cannot accept the primacy of the Pope, since a single person can ere, but not a council of all the Bishops.


The other thing that Saint Constantine did, was to establish his New Rome (Constantinople) on the Bosporus, and by doing so was able to retain the civilization of ancient Greece and Rome and bring it back to light after the Dark Ages.

According to the old writings, when Constantine was outlining the city his associate asked: "Isn't the city large enough?" Constantine replied that when the angel in front of him stops, then he'll stop.

Oh, and by the way, the reason there's a halo around Jesus' head and around the heads of all the Saints, is to show that their faces glow. It has nothing to do with a sun god.



This is the Church that Saint Helen, who was Saint Constantine's mother founded on the island of Paros when she returned from Jerusalem. A friends daughter was married there 3 years ago.

 

Nothing that you posted from Gibbons conflicts with anything I have said .. Your "Halo" opinion is much debated .. well ..was .. don't really think there is much debate these days at least in relation to the early depictions .. Christians worshiped Jesus in connection with "Sol" Invictus .. for a number of years.. The Arian Heresy is something completely different.

 

As I recall, Armageddon is not spoken of in any detail by Jesus. Yes he talks about his coming again, but he does not make any claims about a Rapture or an Armageddon or anything else in Revelations. That's an add on claim.

 

You may personally never attacked LGBT, but gay marriage is still very much frowned upon by many RWers here who claim christian. And use the bible to try and back their belief.

So it is very likely those who claim to be all about Jesus and forgiveness, can never forgive.
The biggie hate the sin, not the sinner is said so often. But that's not what happens and not everyone in the world is christian. So, LGBT is not a sin in the 1st place to many. Only to some of the believers in the god of abraham.

 

The only true victims of LGBT are those who see them as victims. They are humans as much as any non LGBT and have all the same characteristics and traits of all non LGBT but for being any one of the LGBT.
So any issues one has with them, is the fault with the one who has issues.

 

That hand gesture has no more power than one making a circle with their hands.
Maybe the circle gesture has more power, because it never ends.

 

You call it an "add on claim".....I'll call it a revelation to a man that stood by the cross and watched his Lord crucified. Either you believe or you don't. Your choice.

 

It is not their humanity, it's their practices they want to "normalize". It's what they practice that Christians find offensive. Just don't flaunt it and don't try to influence our children. They have enough difficulty getting through their adolescence.

 

Just don't flaunt your offensiveness against their nature of being who they are. And don't try to influence our children to believe as you believe.
Being tolerant of all people is a good thing for children to learn. As long as no laws are broken or one's rights aren't infringed upon.

 

Yeah, you extend that courtesy to pedophiles that are born that way I assume.

 

Why is lying always the attempt to get out of jail free card to those who lost an argument?

Do you understand what, 'as long as no laws are broken', means?

 

Tolerance does not extend to pedophiles .. even though God made them that way.

 

You lack understanding if you attribute sinful nature to God. Why play the game?