How’s ‘shutting down the virus’ going, Joe

Anybody/everybody can be an armchair quarterback.

It doesn't mean it would have been effective, it doesn't mean it would have changed the out come. What is the situation, Biden is currently President, and he actively campaigned on stopping the virus. He hasn't. He may not have been able no matter what he did, but he used it as a selling point. People either have to acknowledge the fact that Biden did not keep his 'promise', or acknowledge that no matter what was done, we would still have the virus to deal with.

Too many people have a need to blame somebody for a natural event. No matter where it came from, it's here, deal with it. I apply the same thought process to most things, and am sick and tired of the idiocy surrounding blaming one group or another for the position we are in.

 

I’ll wait for Biden supporters to exonerate Trump first. Are you the one to start that ball rolling?

 

I’m sorry, I don’t follow you here. Are you asking that Biden supports exonerate Trump for his role in exacerbating Covid within the US?

 

Yes. I want the Trump haters to admit to their vile accusations that he could have, but didn’t, do anything to stop the spread of the virus. Their politicization of a deadly disease is beyond despicable. Their hatred of Trump leads them to do literally anything to get rid of him. Vile, despicable people.

 

Do you think that Biden put policies in place to try to shut down the virus, or was it all just lip service in your view?

 

Why would anyone reverse their view of how Trump handled the virus? Is there new information for us to consider?

 

Some COVID health measures that I DO support:

• Eating a healthy species appropriate diet (such as keto or carnivore) -- This measure is the most vital one of them all.
• Getting plenty of sunlight (or if sunlight isn't prevalent at the moment, boosting Vitamin D3 intake via diet and/or supplements. Dietary is preferred.
• Getting plenty of Vitamin C and Zinc, again, via diet and/or supplement. Dietary is preferred.
• Getting a fair amount of exercise on a regular basis
• Reducing stress. This includes turning off the fear porn that is on TV. --- All of these measures are a boon to one's immune system.
• Being informed and aware of treatment options such as monoclonal antibodies and ivermectin.

Some COVID tyranny measures that I DO NOT support:

• Mandatory chin diaper wearing.
• Mandatory invasive medical procedures.
  • Injections (aka "vaccines")
  • Q-tip shoving deep into nasal cavities (aka "testing")
• COVID "passport" (in order to buy/sell/participate in society)
• House arrest (aka "lockdowns")
• Targeted destruction of small businesses & people's livelihoods (aka "economic shutdowns" of "non-essential businesses")
• Erecting plastic barriers at supermarket checkout isles and such.
• Wrapping credit card readers, remote controls, and etc in plastic.
• Suppressing hydroxycloroquine and ivermectin as readily available safe and effective treatments so that Big Pharma can come up with a "new treatment" for "government" (aka taypayers) to purchase in order to transfer EVEN MORE money from the working class into the hands of Big Pharma & government "elites".
• Murdering COVID patients (for "government" (taxpayer) money) by giving them remdesivir and ventilators instead of essential nutrients and ivermectin.

 

Trump did everything anyone could have considering the newness of the pandemic. The most important thing he accomplished was expediting the development of vaccines. That leftists used every opportunity to denigrate his actions and use it as a political tool just confirms our belief in their complete evil corruption. I will never forgive them for execrable behavior.

 

I get that this has you feeling very emotional, but could we relax with the hyperbolic language?

I’m not going to argue that Trump didn’t do anything to address Covid in a positive way. Operation warp speed was, as far as I can tell, a success. But I can also point to actions he took that likely made things worse.

Can you point to actions taken by the Biden administration that has worsened Covid?

On the topic of politicizing Covid, do you not think that one sided opposition to protection measures is also politicizing Covid?

 

Trump's travel bans (one was called a "Muslim ban") were "bad", right?? They were racist and xenophobic, right?

I still haven't heard any bitching and moaning about Biden's "Black ban" or about how racist and xenophobic Biden is being...

 

We can agree to disagree. When other countries were taking it seriously and passing actions to protect their citizens, Trump (admittedly) downplayed the severity. He said it would disappear like magic. For that, he will always be criticized. As for your contention that the left used Trump's inaction as a political tool, I suppose you think they should just have shut up about something they saw as a dangerous weakness? But speaking of political tools, go back in time and remember Trump's use of the census and the rush for the vaccine as his own political tools.

 

When you demand citizens do something, but don't demand it of immigrants, it's lip service.
When actions to 'protect' people don't take other aspects into consideration, or don't consider them to be as damaging as they are, then it's lack of thinking it through. Collateral damage, if you will.

So it's not as one way or another, it's been an assortment of some good actions, with some not good. But, just as people have said it's all on Trump, then it's also all on Biden.

 

In fact, I was critical of Trump's early ban because he didn't ban ALL travel from the highly infected area. And I have been similarly critical of Joe's recent travel ban.

 

I 100% agree that a healthy lifestyle can help with positive outcomes if you contract Covid. I don’t agree with all of your specifics, but don’t really care to argue them.

Aside from personal opposition to tyranny, which I also don’t care for, can you explain with sources how those steps are not medically effective ways to mitigate and prevent the spread of Covid?

 

So you advocate for insanity then??

Let's see if I am following you correctly:

1. Wear a mask to protect yourself from... I mean protect others from... I mean, slow/prevent the spread of COVID.
2. Get vaccinated to protect yourself from... I mean protect others from... I mean, slow/prevent the spread of COVID.
3. Get a booster shot to protect yourself from... I mean protect others from... I mean, slow/prevent the spread of COVID.

[CASES AND DEATHS CONTINUE TO OCCUR... "variants" CONTINUE TO SPREAD AROUND... FEAR FEAR FEAR, BE VERY AFRAID!!!!

So now, after the above-mentioned steps 1-3 have been exhausted, the fact that vaccinated people are still getting and spreading COVID around means that we need to....... according to you....... REPEAT THE ABOVE-MENTIONED STEPS AGAIN???

That's the straight up definition of insanity, dude. You are quite literally advocating for insanity.

 

I think you'll find that those who legally enter the country are tested. If infected, they are quarantined. https://www.statesman.com/story/new...ven-testing-migrants-released-u-s/8116347002/

 

Instead of strawmanning my argument you could just ask me to elaborate on my position. You’re seeming very emotional here.

 

... and many of those people still catch and spread COVID around...

 

I don’t consider anything I’ve said hyperbolic, what I’ve said is absolutely true. If you’re not going to say Trump didn’t do anything to address COVID in a positive way, then I have no argument with you.

I don’t think Biden has done much to worsen COVID but the overwrought reaction to the fear of COVID have definitely made the total consequences worse. Lockdown of the economy has severely damaged our economy, and absurd mandates are a real threat to individual liberties. In that regard Biden, in his clueless way, has done great damage to the country.

 

Science (specifically virology and immunology), engineering, mathematics, and logic.

 

How was expediting development of vaccines Trump’s political tool?

 

Did Trump’s “Muslim Ban” have anything to do with Covid?

 

You’re listing fields of study, not sourcing the claim.

 

Fair enough.

 

Trump’s “Muslim Ban” in 2017 wasn’t about COVID at all. it was about immigration from specific countries with high threats of terrorism.