The Book of Revelation and the Bible

Because I know he is. Why else would you try to erase or obscure him by grouping him with idols, fables, and manmade constructs, if you did not suspect his validity, intuit his heart or faintly the whisper of his voice?

 

smh..and here I am trusting God! If only I had known.

 

Nothing in your post is evidence that the Christian Bible, or the Christian faith, didn't exist before the various manuscripts were put in book form in the 7th century. Besides, there are clear Christian and Judaic influences in Islam, which would've been impossible if the "Christian fairy tale" wasn't invented until after the advent of Islam.

Sumerians and Assyrians kept their religious stories on clay tablets. Does that mean that their religions never existed because they never wrote all the stories in one book?

Do you believe that Judaism had been invented in the 7th century as well?

Why should anyone assume that Sirach had been used a foundation for the rest of the Bible, instead of the other way around?

Your claims haven't got a leg to stand on.

 

1. Which Bible? Quotes, please.

2, You mean that the author, or one of the copyists of the gospel attributed those words to Jesus.

3. Yes, in the hotly disputed Book of Revelation.

4. Yes, in the same hotly disputed book.

Revelation and 2 Esdras are not found in the Massoretic text, or in the Septuagint. Their inclusion in the Christian canon is quite flabbergasting.

 

Remember, even the Bible says not to believe in Jewish myths.

Titus 1:14 (CEV) = "14 Don’t pay any attention to any of those senseless Jewish stories and human commands. These are made up by people who won’t obey the truth."

 

Obey what truth?

 

"Trusting God" is such a strange comment when you think about it. Trusting God to do what ?

 

Not mislead me for starters.

 

Not lead mislead you where - into temptation ? .. what a vauge comment.. The question was what are you Trusting in God to Do .. not what you are Trusting God to not do..

Regardless .. this trust is obviously not well placed - did you wish God to take away all temptation ?

Tell you what I Trust .. That God is not insane - has some sense of Justice - and not a flip flopping xenophobic genocidal maniac with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics .. most of the time.

 

Unless I have to, I don't wrestle with what I don't understand. I just stick with what I know, in the hope that by and by, I will increase in understanding. Such is part of my trust in God.

 

Christians believe that the Bible is God's own word. So man can't change it:

 

Sounds like you are wrestling against understanding .. and sticking with what you don't know

You say "I trust in God" .. I ask .. to do what .. you don't know .. and respond that you trust God not to do mislead you .. I say how .. you don't know .. I give an example .. Trust God not to lead you into temptation .. showing that this is not what you want God to do..

now you say - after having no understanding of what your Trust in God is ..least none you are able to articulate .. you say "Increasing understanding is part my Trust in God" - which makes no sense.

What are you trusting God to do --- or not do .. in relation to ncreasing your understanding .. where does God fit into this equation.

You say you want to increase understanding - preferably with the help of God--- or rather you trust God will help you in this endeavor - which is reasonable .. but, in the same breath .. you say you don't wrestle with what you don't understand.

Question: How are you going to increase understanding - if you do not wrestle with things you don't understand ?

 

The Bible contains more murder, incest, rape, and misogyny than anything Steven King could ever come up with. It is perverse in it's entirety...

 

You obviously dont know many Christians. Most Christians pick and choose what they want to believe...

 

Christian faith isn't arbitrary. There's a diference between being a good or bad Christian.

 

Man can!
And Woman can, too!

 

The Bible has been edited and re-translated thousands of times, so apparently God's word can be changed by man...

 

Exactly!

 

Hop on YouTube and check out College Humor - God's Diary if you want a good laugh...

 

Shouldn't be easy.
How can you give the Christians a faked bible if they know the previous version?

 

For instance, I know that God is real and that he lives. I know that God is divine. I know that we knew God in the pre existence but forgot him along the course of our birth and growth in mortality. I know that Jesus is the savior. And that he spoke true when he said we have to be born again of spirit and water to see or enter heaven. I know that God is kind, and that he is a good person. Who else could conceive of doing so much for us as to create all that is, including our lives. And then suffering all things for us, including death, to bring about our resurrection and salvation. All this has come to me thru trust in God. And so I trust the more. I trust that he knows my heart and and sufferings and hears my prayers. I trust that in the end he will lift me up and save me. I am indebted to God for the excellence of his sacrifice and mercy towards me which is greater than the entire worlds collective wealth of precious metals, gems and money. As such my indebtedness is my wealth. And it is immense because of his greatness. That he would overlook my unworthiness and entrust to my poverty a priceless testimony of his divinity is like the planting of a seed and the ownership of the fruit. The best that I am belongs to him because he is the best of me. So if I or anyone is saved, then it is by his kingdom within us. There is only one God. I trust in him moment by moment in this dark world swirling with lies and deceit, to see, to know, to speak, to understand or to abide upon what I know and leave the remainder to him. I do not build God, but he me. I do not seek him so much anymore as to wait upon him. But that doesn't mean I can't enjoy a Seinfeld or Star Trek rerun.

 

What is this - if not other than major avoidance -- of the thought stopping technique kind.. No one asked you if you thought God was real .. or divine.. nor is it part of the conversation .. warped into another zone you have .. away from the "Bad Thought" .. typical of those indoctrinated with sophisticated mind control technique -- not saying this is you .. but the reaction is as such.

Back on Planet Earth -- We were discussing this Trust you have in God

"How are you going to come to greater understanding via this Trust in God .. if you do not wrestle with things you do not understand" ?

and why is it that this question tipped you over the edge .. Triggered the thought avoidance button. stammering out religious mantra .. that has no relevence to the discussion -- like the Muslim call to Prayer 5 times a day .. continuous repetition .. cept this is not Prayer time.. this is time to answer the question ..

 

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God loves to deceive people =

2 Thessalonians 2:11 (CJB) = "11 This is why God is causing them to go astray, so that they will believe the Lie."

 

I have met quite a few people who make this claim of having met god or who have a personal relationship with god complete with two way conversations.

There is no way to refute their claim. It’s not something that can be proven or disproven.

I have never met anyone though who can explain to me how they know that it’s god and not some demon or even a biological anomaly of some kind.

The only thing I can say is that if the entity which they believe they are communicating with is actually god then their behaviour should be somewhat consistent with the behaviours encouraged in the bible and that really isn’t the case most of the time.

I also don’t think that biblically the idea that God takes up residence in your brain bears out. Other people may see it that way I guess but I don’t.

 

12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
The "truth" being that Jesus Christ is the savior, and that his gospel is unto our salvation. Consequently to reject the truth is to believe a lie, and therefore become subject to delusions. They are Gods laws. But it is we who choose to either follow or not. Why do you blame God for your own choice and persist in senselessness? Would you arm up and go to war against your own maker? He has not failed you. We all if we fail, fail ourselves and God. But God is true, failing no one. I heartily recommend one not make war against God.