Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. Thedimon

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    Three opening paragraphs:

    RIGA, Latvia — As Russian President Vladimir Putin enters his second month of war against Ukraine, questions are mounting about what limitations he could face as he presses ahead with an invasion that has already inflicted great costs on the Russian military and left the country deeply isolated.

    Putin for years has snuffed out dissent, muzzled independent media and bolstered a security state to prevent protests, meaning he faces far fewer domestic constraints in waging such a war than the leader of a democratic nation would. Continued revenue from foreign oil and gas sales — despite Western sanctions — also is helping him ease the blow of harsh economic sanctions at home.

    But the Russian president does face certain tactical strictures on the battlefield, as well as some geopolitical and economic constraints. They all will probably make his ability to wage a longer-term war in Ukraine more difficult — but far from impossible. . . .
     
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    :D...worked for the British when we were putting together our Empire....

     
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    Putin does it by ethnic cleansing and fake referendums.
     
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    Um, those protests were funded by USAID which is why they were kicked out of Russia.
     
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    BS falsehood.
     
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    And Saddam used US chemical weapons against the Iranians with the help of US military advisors.

    What about it?
     
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    Another BS falsehood.
     
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    People don't need funding to take to the streets in protest.
     
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    That is simply not true. That is pure left wing propaganda of the day.
     
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    You mean when the US and Britain forced Germany to stop paying war reparations to the Soviet Union that were owed under international law and under treaty and instead of starting WW III -- and the Soviets would have been justified --- they choose to peaceably protest by blockading Allied access to Berlin?

    That is not what happened.

    US VII Corps units were undergoing desert warfare training in the Turkish desert that borders Iraq in the 2 years prior to the US misleading Saddam into thinking he could initiate a conflict with Kuwait.

    Seeing how there are no deserts in Europe, and seeing how VII Corps was already slated to be removed from Germany under the terms of the IFR between the US and Soviet Union, you can conclude that action was planned.

    No, the US promised to support the Kurds in an insurrection and then coldly abandoned the Kurds.

    The reason was to allow the US and Britain to create a No-Fly Zone which gives the US an excuse to maintain a military presence in the Gulf Region for an indefinite period of time.

    The so-called "justifications" for invading Iraq in 2003 have all been thoroughly refuted. In other words, the US lied.

    No, not really. That was planned.

    By 1967, it became crystal clear that you could never bring the Pacific Rim Geo-Political Strategy to a successful conclusion.

    You embarked on a new plan, MECAS, or Middle East/Central Asia/Siberia.

    Effectively, you can fly to Tripoli, rent a car (from a US-based company of course) and then drive from Tripoli to Tunis to Tel Aviv to Tehran to Tabriz to Tashkent to Vladivostok and see nothing but Texaco gas stations and K-Marts and McDonald's along the way.

    Of course, now it would be Amoco/BP gas stations, Wal-Marts, McDonald's and Starsux, but you get the point.

    To that end, you abandoned Vietnam. Nixon went to China to get assurances and security guarantees for our Allies Australia, New Zealand, Japan and South Korea. You abandoned the Gold Standard for the Petro-Dollar, and to get the Saudis on-board, you did them a favor, namely, you enlisted the help of Moamar Ghaddfi to over-throw the Libyan king who was a thorn in the side of the Saudis.

    Success for MECAS requires driving the Russians out of the Mediterranean Region and penning them up in the Black Sea, which you have done by carving up Yugoslavia and gaining control of Libya and Tunisia. Syria is the only sticking point.

    You have control of Iraq and Kuwait, which you'll need to control Iran so's you have unfettered unrestricted air, rail and highway access to the Central Asia States.

    Once you control Central Asia again (Clinton had them but lost them) you will be able to channel money to "pro-Democracy" groups in eastern Russia just like you did with Arab Spring and smuggle weapons, ammunition, equipment and supplies to insurgents, just like you did when Clinton gave your tax-dollars to Pakistan to buy weapons from Iran and then ship them to Albania where Osama bin Laden's #2 lieutenant al-Zawahiri smuggled them into Bosnia and Kosovo under the watchful eye of your CIA and Iranian VEVAK so you could carve up Yugoslavia.

    The US/NATO need control of Ukraine, or Belarus or both, or it will not be able to enforce the No-Fly Zone over western Russia while the US and Brits carve up eastern Russia.

    Putin's not stupid. He knows that which is why Russia is Ukraine now.
     
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    Not true in the sense you mention. But I have explained how the US was complicit and how that complicity extended widely, including certainly Saddam's main backers, the Soviet Union, Warsaw Pact, France, Germany, and his financiers among the Arab league.

    Btw, just last night I saw a heart-wrenching Iranian movie centered around Saddam's chemical attack against an Iranian Kurdish border town. If there had been any reaction or condemnation of those attacks, instead of the cover ups we saw, his subsequent attacks at the end of the war against other Kurdish town on the Iraqi side of the border, such as Halabja, would not have happened either...
     
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    Just a bit of fun.....:D:D....
     
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    That's not what I saw on the satellite imagery last week.

    As if "western officials" aren't biased and prejudice and have no qualms about spewing propaganda.

    I'm guessing you don't understand the rank structure of the Russian Army or how units are organized, which makes it easy for people like you to suck up the propaganda.

    There's nothing psycopathic about defending one's country.

    However, there is something psychopathic about labeling heads-of-State as "commies" if they seize US assets for treaty violations and non-payment of taxes, and labeling countries as a "communist threat" for attempting to force US companies to pay taxes.
     
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    This post is hilarious. I'd love to see the documents supporting all this. I'm interested to know where they came from. Iran? Al Queda? ISIS? Or something more insidious like BLM or Antifa? The American Communist Party perhaps?
     
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    No one has disputed the reports of generals' deaths.
    And btw, I understand the Russian army quite well, thanks.
     
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    According to this document, Russian ministry of defense openly plans to send the conscripts from current spring campaign into Ukraine.
    Russian citizens, like good slaves, will be knowingly sending their sons to the butcher shop. If they are about to mobilize kids in April, who have just finished their school, how many of them will die by Ukrainian troops who were trained by NATO and have combat experience? :lol:

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    Dated March 25, 2022, two days ago.

    All those Russian grandmas are just gonna be soooo happy to see their grandkids get thrown into the immolation.
     
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    We are not on the side of Putin, thank you very much.
     
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    This is historically 100% true. The USA had literally nothing to do with Saddam Hussein's use of chemical weapons.

    But to note, the left in the USA has never claimed that we (the USA) were in on it. However, lots of looneytoonies out there love to try to pin anything on the Amerikanskis.
     
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    I agree with part of this. Russia can indeed go it's own way. But this does not mean that Russia has the right to invade another, completely independent-from-Russia sovereign nation, for instance, Ukraine.

    Russia's rights end at the doorstep to other nations' rights.
     
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    This is, of course, untrue.

    Plocha, ocheyn plocha. (Bad, very bad). Do better next time.

    Don't expect to be able to get away with telling untruths without massive blowback.
     
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    Indeed. Which gives them time to organize and plan the tactics for the next wave of counteroffensives, some of which I bet are going to surprise a lot of people.

    Oh, and Odessa is still standing and nary a rocket has been fired toward that wonderful city. Which means that Ukraine has a most excellent supply route via water and can also keep the russkis that are waiting in Moldova peeing their pants. There is a russki minority in Moldova just hoping to join the fight. They won't get their chance.
     
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    One week is an eternity in an active war. ;)
     
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    Not nice torturing people like this. Not nice.

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