How easy is it to build an "assault rifle"...

Why would it not go through an interior wall it's either 32 or 38 caliber round lead ball. If you want the least chance to over penetration you would use the smallest bird shot you could get

 

You most certainly are allowed. In fact, I encourage it. But then you would have to QUOTE that part.

All and any that are specifically designed to make illegal weapons.

 

I don't need evidence that rock wool insulation stops projectiles because I made no such claim.

 

@Golem I haven’t read all the responses so maybe someone has already said this.

An AR-15 is nothing more than a rifle with a semi-automatic action and a detachable magazine. Everything else about the rifle is just “furniture”. Rifles and pistols with these features were being developed in the late 1800s, and they were in service by World War 1. That was 108 years ago.

So I have two points:

1) In order to ban what you call “assault” rifles, you will have to ban an entire class of rifles, not just AR-15s, rifles that have been owned by American citizens for 100 years or so. I doubt that that would pass Constitutional muster.

2) Focussing on the guns deflects/avoids dealing with the really hard questions. We didn’t used to have these mass shootings. Why do we have them now? How have we as a society failed? What are we doing wrong? What should we change for the better so that we don’t raise mass shooters?

The number of mass shootings where 10 or more were killed from 1950-1969 was 1.

Where did society go wrong? Nobody seems to want to answer those questions. They hit too close to home. Because maybe it’s not the guns that are the problem. Maybe we are the problem.

 

Birdshot? I want to stop the guy, not piss him off.

 

You said it doesn't. My understanding is that's more effective than the pink fiberglass stuff. You maybe right, but you haven't proved it.

 

How far away do you imagine you would be shooting someone inside of a house and have you seen what birdshot does at close range?

Unless you have some exceptionally solid walls buckshot will go right on through

 

he probably did but you're erased it like you typically do with 90% of the post you respond to

 

Your statement is false. There is no way a projectile that penetrates 8 layers of drywall would not penetrate 2 layers with rock wool insulation. When you are behind the trigger, it is YOUR responsibility to KNOW where projectiles will terminate. If your ego does not allow you to stand corrected, I will be happy to make a bet with you and test it next time I go out to the desert.

 

So you dont want to ban any tools, but you dont know that because you dont know anything about machining or guns. Fair enough.

 

You think not.

You have an opinion and I respect that. It's 1" of drywall and 5.5" of rock wool vs. the 2" of drywall in the video you cited. If there was anyone in my house I would be worried about hitting, I'd either find out from someone who knows or I'd conduct my own test.

 

As I have said, the Constitution is no problem at all. That's a topic being discussed in a different thread. The topic here is the argument that building one, plus 1600 rounds of ammunition is "as easy" (yep! That's the argument) as going into a store and buying them. I think I have demonstrated it's not.

Your second point is also being discussed in another thread. But it's as simple as this: the only difference between our "society" as far as raising children, or mental illness or drugs or... any other factor, is how easy it is in this country to obtain weapons designed to kill a large number of people in as short time as possible.

Again: not my intention to dismiss your points, but this thread is about one particular topic. Other topics are being discussed in other threads. For example, here is one
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/how-to-ban-guns-without-firing-a-single-shot.600040/

 

I was responding to a specific part of your essay. “Stop the nonsense! Ban ‘assault weapons’”, you said, and I was pointing out that what you call an “assault weapon” is an entire class of rifles that have been around for 100+ years. And I honestly believe that trying to do that is ignoring the true underlying reasons why we have this problem in the first place. The history is not open to debate. It is what it is, and these mass shootings are a modern day phenomenon that didn’t exist 50 years ago even though semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines also existed just like they do today.

So the only logical conclusion is that there is something wrong with us as a society because it’s not the semi-automatic rifles. They’ve been with us and available to American citizens for over a hundred years.

 

He's making a mockery of his signature line that's for sure.... But it's not like it's the first time.

 

Interesting how I write that tools specifically designed to create the type of guns mentioned in the OP, and you read that I don't want to ban any tools.

That fact alone tells us that you can't rebut my arguments. So anything after that would be a waste of time.

BTW, if you read the OP, you will see I'm not going to mention ANYTHING that would help anybody build an assault rifle. Not the pages where I got my information, not the parts, not the tools mentioned, ... Anybody can google any of this, of course (like I did). But they're just not getting it from me.

All I need you to know is that, contrary to inaccurate statements by some gun advocates in this group, I know it's not "easy". And it's most definitely much more difficult (and we could make very close to impossible for most potential shooters) than going to a gun shop in Texas and buying an "assault rifle" and over 1600 rounds of ammunition.

 

I have no idea what difference it makes how long they have been around.

They DID exist 50 years ago. They weren't the main recourse for terrorists (most of them white supremacists) and crazy people that it is now , but they existed. Mass shootings exist since even the 1800s (and earlier). But it wasn't as easy to just go out to a store and buy an assault rifle. 50 years ago the NRA was a rational organization involved in stopping gun violence instead of promoting it, like they do now. In fact, up to 20 years ago we had an assault weapons ban. We didn't have commercials by gun sellers promoting how "manly" it is to buy a gun designed to kill dozens of people in just a few minutes. 50 years ago we didn't have the internet or politicians like Donald Trump using it to make violence mainstream. So, to reduce deaths with assault weapons, we could ban the internet, which has created much wealth and helped increase our standard of living; or we can ban assault weapons which have helped... kill people... and nothing more. I feel the latter is more sensible.

 

There arent any tools that are specifically designed to build illegal guns. I oppose banning things in prinicipal, but i dont gaf if you want to ban imaginary tools. go for it and have fun

 

The video shows that buckshot penetrated 4 inches of drywall. It doesn't take a physics professor to conclude that a material with significantly lower density would not reduce over penetration more than 3 additional inches of drywall. I appreciate that you finally admitted to not knowing and that you are willing to research and maybe even test.

 

Drywall is 1/2" thick, not 1". The test was 2" of drywall (4 sheets) vs. 1" of drywall (two sheets with 5 1/2" of rock wool insulation). But no matter.

 

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you gonna ban basic tools and bits of metal and wood now? https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/06/15/doomsday-223-four/
You gonna ban ****ing LEGOS?

 

Who said anything about constant?

 

Two big issues—abortion and guns. Both have literally millions of Americans fully prepared to go around any effort to stop abortions or firearm possession. I am convinced gun owners would start making their own weapons if it comes to that.

If we had the political center that leans left or right willing to put a stop to radicals pushing their absolutist agendas, we might be able to have social peace. That means moderate liberal types would have to swear off any idea we should confiscate firearms. On the other side, moderates would have to reject efforts to ban all abortions.

 

https://www.abqjournal.com/2504617/student-not-arrested-after-bringing-gun-to-abq-high-school.html

^ Kid had a "ghost gun". He was 14.

 

You are incorrect. There were 4 walls with 2 sheets per wall. That is 8 sheets. If you are going to own a gun, it is your responsibility to know where the projectiles will terminate.

 

The test was individual drywall sheets.

Anyway, I wasn't basing my question about the effectiveness of rock wool insulation isn't based on the density of the material. Kevlar's stopping power is based on its special properties. If rock wool has no special properties beyond it's density, it would not stop buckshot.