As Ohio restricts abortions, 10-year-old girl travels to Indiana for procedure

Whats really more disgusting, are posters who think we should make every abortion unlimited from here to eternity because of the ignorance of a one idiot parent.
So you would be fine with murdering millions upon millions of fully developed babies over one single case of parental stupidity.

 

Why do you believe those justify the taking of an innocent life? The life that is a self evident truth you have a right to from your creation? Why do you want over 600,000 babies a year to be killed in the womb? How does the rare circumstance justify that or how does the mother simply not wanting her baby to live because HER life might be more difficult, of course adoption is always an option, justify that?

 

Any other point besides conception is arbitrary. Fundamental human rights aren't derived from a birth canal, government, or mob.

One can lose their right to self defense if one provokes.

A woman can lose her right to self defense against a person they provoked into the situation.

 

And live with the fact she killed her baby for the rest of her life? One tragedy does not erase or make go away another you know. Killing a totally innocent part to the crime doesn't make it go away.

Do you believe such a tragic EXTREMELY RARE case justifies the other 99.5% of abortions?

Why don't we concentrate of those first as states evaluate their laws and what restrictions should apply when the mother is not in danger or was not raped.

And we don't even know the truth to this story, I've yet to read an actual confirmation for it.

 

Some 35% of black males become criminals so should we just start killing black unborn babies so none of the above happens? Almost 80% of blacks are born into single mother homes, which is the cause for all your "horrors" you listed so should we just have a policy if a black woman gets pregnant the unborn baby should be killed? Should we have income requirements for a person to be able to give birth to a child?

And are you saying all of the above justifies that all the other purely elective abortions where the mother simply did not want the child?

 

How does abortion due to rape, 1%, justify the other 99% of abortions?

 

No see the one who is being dishonest here is you and your ilk.

Let’s assume Ohio came out and said we were wrong, the 10 year old should be able to abort and we will allow exceptions for rape and incest.

Would you be cool with it then?

No you and your ilk would still be hating at the highest levels. Which means your simply using this child and her horrendous situation to advance your cause.

 

Feel free to quote where I’ve ever said that we should murder fully developed babies — or we can throw it into your growing list of outright lies.

 

It's disgusting see people that say because 1% of abortions are due to rape then the other 99% of mothers killing their unborn babies

Here's some facts for you


Facts About Rape Victims and Abortions
1. Fewer than 1% of all abortions take place because there has been rape or incest involved to create the pregnancy.
2. Up to 85% of the women who become pregnant through rape or incest choose to have their children.
3. The national rape-related pregnancy rate is 5.0% per rape among victims of reproductive age.
4. About 32,000 pregnancies result from sexual assaults or rape every year in the United States.
5. The majority of rape-related pregnancies occurred among adolescents and resulted from assault by a known, often related perpetrator.
6. Only 11.7% of these adolescents who were raped by a known, often related predator received immediate medical attention after the assault.
7. 32.4% of victims do not discover they were pregnant until they had already entered the second trimester.
8. In a 1996 study of rape victims and pregnancy, 11.8% of the pregnancies resulted in a spontaneous abortion. Only about 6% of the mothers chose to have the child and then give it up for adoption.
9. An Elliot Institute study on rape-related pregnancies found that nearly 80% of the women who aborted said that abortion was the wrong solution.
10. 43% of women said they felt pressure to abort from family members or health workers.
11. 95% of those who mentioned rape or incest as a reason for an abortion also named other reasons as well for deciding to abort.
12. The number of abortions that occur in the United States based on the statistics because of rape or incest: 12,000.
13. When the Pennsylvania Legislature modified the law to say it only covered rape or incest reported to law-enforcement authorities, the number of publicly funded abortions dropped from 35 a month to 3.
14. Almost 70% of sexual assaults go unreported to law enforcement officials.
15. The number of states who currently pay for abortions for poor women who have been the victims of rape or incest: 8.
16. Another 12 states finance abortions for poor women with broader circumstances.
17. On the other end of the spectrum, 90% of the children who are battered in the US were wanted pregnancies.
18. In 2008, the Supreme Court of California upheld that pregnancy resulting from rape constitutes great bodily injury.
https://healthresearchfunding.org/18-shocking-abortion-statistics-rape-victims/

Note number 2 & 9. The women CHOOSE to have their baby, they aren't forced to have the baby that was a result of a rape, they don't kill them so I go with the women. Note number 13, when you have make the claim of rape official the number of rape claims drop over 90%

So stop with the canard we must have totally unrestricted abortion in this country because of rape, it's a strawman at best.

 

You are the one posting about a single 10 year old pregnancy carrying to full term over Roe being overturned.
What did you think the alternate was?
Please

 

Then pass the law in you state to allow mothers to without any restriction kill their babies in spite of the fact we are founded on the principle that that life has the self evident truth they were created with the right to their life.

 

How does a woman provoke the situation? You mean by having sex?

I have never heard the self defense argument and I have a few questions. How is it self defense against the fetus when the fetus didn’t do anything wrong?

If you feel this is actually self defense will you vocally vote against any politician that pushes for no exceptions for rape?

 

It doesn’t.
What justifies most abortion is the self governance and bodily autonomy of a woman.

 

I don’t really care, nor did I read the remainder of your post.

It is ironic that you must make outlandish claims about the positions of other here to make yourself feel better but all we have to do is use your own positions.

Zero people here have said that all abortion should be allowed because of this or any other individual case. That is a blatant lie. That you have the integrity to post that other people are engaged in strawman arguments when you are resorting in such would tell a moral person their argument is unjust.

 

Please let me know which words you are struggling to comprehend so we can break it down together:
Fully
Developed
Babies

You made a very specific accusation that was completely false but I accept your half hearted retraction since you failed in your effort to direct quote anything.

 

I believe that whether or not the person in the womb intended to harm the woman, in the case of rape, the woman did nothing to provoke the situation. It is reasonable to assume that in the case of rape, it could mentally destroy the woman to carry the child, and she has a fundamental right to self preservation in that case.

 

You wanna get under that guys skin?? Mention this thread again... you were in there on Page 1.... Still a highlight of 2022 on PF.com for me...

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ep-2020-election-audit-records-secret.596343/

 

So the life of the fetus shouldn’t automatically overrule the life of the mother due to the mental health and well-being of the mother?

 

I'm sure we're on the same side on this issue, but I wouldn't be making the argument that restrictively...

In the case of rape (or any post sex decision up until 24 weeks for that matter), she has the fundamental right to remove the fetus regardless of her mental reaction or need for self preservation to the rape...

 

While I am not discussing that particular poster in any negative manner, the only way for the truth to get under someone’s skin is for them to have an iota of integrity.

 

Good point.... it's still fun to bring that thread up though.... I have that one bookmarked for the foreseeable future... A perfect example of posting before understanding something....

 

Yes, if a doctor says the pregnancy is abnormal in some way and the woman is in danger, she has a right to self preservation. I don't need a doctor to tell me, in the case of rape, the woman is acting out of self preservation. You can't make a rule to force someone to override self preservation.

 

Well this view is definitely more sane than many of the anti-choice arguments we see here.

Do you believe this metric should apply to the mental health of the woman across the board in the case of mental illness? Pregnancy is a massive psychological burden even for women that want the child.

What about in the case of failed contraceptives? That also wasn’t purposeful and not the woman’s fault.

 

They don’t and its not even the scariest part. They learn how to be violent by being violent towards women. This is only the start of what is to come. My guess is next they will start supporting castrating anyone who dares has premarital sex. It’s disgusting and only a step away from nazism.

 

hopefully the sick people on the right will not be able to force rape victims to have their rapists babies, but I agree with should pass federal laws to protect them from the religious right