Trump's lie that the FBI 'planted evidence'

This idea being forwarded by Trump and on right wing media that the FBI 'planted evidence' is an act of desperation. Moreover, it won't hold up in court.

This idea that Wray, Garland, or the Federal Magistrate -- all who signed off on the warrant would allow any past disciplined officer for dishonesty, if there are any (no one has shown me any evidence of it) be allowed on this investigation/search is beyond the pale absurd, and an act of desperation--we are talking about searching the property of the former President Of The United States. Do we really have to explain to you that Garland and Wray are going to make darn sure every T is crossed, every 'i' is dotted, and all their proverbial ducks are in a straight as hell row given the national attention this search would bring?

Desperation, that's all it is. Have fun proving it in court.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-evidence-claim-unlikely-to-stand-up-in-court

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In court, prosecutors are required to prove how it obtained each piece of evidence by having FBI agents testify, said former federal prosecutor Barbara McQuade. “They keep a chain of custody by putting items into marked containers that they sign with their initials and date. Another agent then verifies it.”

This isn’t the only technical problem with the conspiracy theory.

The allegation of planted evidence “couldn’t possibly be based on anything legitimate because there has been no evidence released about what was found in the search,” said former federal prosecutor Jennifer Rodgers.

The move by Garland to unseal the warrant “calls Trump’s bluff and puts him on the defensive,” Rodgers said. “He now has to decide whether to object to release of the warrant or not, and if he does, that will look pretty strange given that he’s claimed there is no basis for the action.”

 

Lie, POS45 excels at the firehose of lies. Bigly!

 

The FBI forged evidence in order to illegally spy on Trump, that's a verified fact of the record. The repeatedly verified as accurate and corroborated that they had solid evidence that Carter Page was a spy working on behalf of Russian Intelligence, when they had been repeatedly informed, in writing that his association with Russian Intelligence was as a spy for the CIA on OUR behalf, and when the FISA court caught wind of this, and demanded an answer, Clinesmith added the word NOT to the email that verified that Carter Page was a US asset, a deliberate forgery that reversed the meaning of the email submitted as "proof".

Given that in their TDS induced madness they will forge evidence, why would anyone doubt that they would plant evidence? How does planting evidence meaningfully differ from forging evidence?

A Fresh Peak In Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Former CIA Director Michael Hayden, which means you would expect him to be mentally balanced, "suggests that Donald Trump should be executed for giving nuclear secrets to the Russians, a claim for which there is, to say the least, zero evidence, and which is absurd on its face."

That's how barking mad these folks are. They are completely unfit for the offices they hold, and in 85 days, hopefully be begin the process of returning these rogue agencies back under the Rule Of Law.

 

That's kind of interesting, isn't it? The burden of evidence. Which side does it fall on?

And this is actually a major issue in the field of logical debate.

 

It's a matter of the end justifying the means. Trump was believed to have committed impeachable acts even before he took the oath of office. No one bothered to ask how that was even possible. Nor, did anyone bother to ask why millions, upon millions of people would vote for someone that was a criminal until Hillary answered that question; they were deplorable people.

 

This part is irrelevant and not even the issue.

This part is also idiotic and based on what is called an "equivocation fallacy".

There are two different types of "allegations". The person who wrote this is confusing one type with another.

It doesn't even make logical sense.

I disagree.
He could still have good reason to want the information in the investigation not to be released to the public even if he believes it was falsified. It would just give them an excuse to publicly smear his name.

 

The Mainstream News Media was hopefully pondering his assassination before he was sworn in, thinking it would mean that Obama would remain President (it wouldn't).

 

Care to show us the proof that the FBI forged evidence?

 

If it is a lie, the reason he was able to tell it is because the FBI refused to allow anyone to observe, and demanded surveillance cameras be turned off. If they would have allowed trump's lawyers to observe, then he'd have no standing to claim anything was planted.

 

Of course it could have been planted even before the raid.

Supposedly there was an "inside informant", an informant who may have had access to the place.

 

What do you think Clinesmith pled guilty to?

How can you be this involved in this discussion, for years, and be uninformed on this?

 

YOU MEAN I COULD BE GETTING PAID FOR THIS?

 

That option is still open for 2025. Although Obama believed Biden would screw things up, he didn't think he would do so badly that it would result in a flip of both Congress and the Executive branch. I'm thinking his ace up his sleeve is getting Michelle to run. And if a nut were to attempt to assassinate Trump many of his haters would only say justice was being served.

 

And this also opens up a reasonable motive for the FBI to plant evidence: they have been caught doing it at least once, so everything going forward is tainted.

 

Anyone thinking about being a whistleblower must be scared to death about what would happen to them in this age of leaks. Probably wouldn't have a chance of testifying.

 

They have forged, manipulated and covered up evidence...... repeatedly.... and these are just the ones they were caught at.

The FBI's 4 Carter Page FISA warrants is the most obvious documented example... Propagated the Russian-collusion hoax to hurt the Trump administration.

The Peter Strzok and Lisa Page texted are another documented example and their "insurance policy".

Manufactured and participated in the Whitmer kidnapping case and blamed it on Trump before the election.

Helped Biden's presidential campaign by burying the Hunter's illegal activities..

Misclassified domestic extremism cases to support the Biden narrative..

Targeted conservative parents who protested pandemic policies at school boards

Placed at least two informants at the capitol on January 6 who participated in the riots.

Who were involved with the scam impeachments.

 

Do a search for FBI and Whitey Bulgar if you want your hair to curl. The FBI has long been completely corrupt, in fact, given that it was initially run by Edgar Hoover, it's probably always been hopeless corrupt.

And then if you want things to piss you off, do a search for the "Corruption of the FBI Boston Field Office" this goes back decades, but, the "Boston Way" rot seems to have infested the entire organization.

WHOA: Trump Says the FBI Stole Something Very Personal When They Raided His Home.

They stole his passport.

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That is very true, and I wouldn't put it past them.

 

Hey! Trump lovers!!!

Tell it to the judge.

 

Since you made the claim, please provide evidence on this point from a credible source, thank you.

Partisan pseudo-data; not a merit worthy counter argument

TDS, what it is, despite your pseudo-data, is a thought - terminating cliché.

Thought-terminating clichés are contrived, partisan buzzwords, born out of groups who have a demagogue leader who is the master of implanting them in his flock. See, the demagogue doesn't like dissent, so when anyone challenges someone in his flock, he, being a master mind manipulator, will have planted a number of thought-terminating clichés into the minds of his subjects ( via repetition) so they will toss it up to the opponent in an attempt to kill the conversation ( wrongfully thinking it improves their argument ) so TTCs are simple terms catch phrases or words whose sole purpose is, to kill the conversation, such as 'TDS' "NeverTrumper" "Leftist Loony" noting that their more salient function is to curtail critical thinking in the persons they are implanted to.

I would expect someone accusing a General of being mentally unbalanced, to be mentally balanced enough to check his facts.

Well, I fact-checked you and he did not suggest that Trump be executed.

I'm seeing more evidence against you than whom you accuse.

Well, by your own standard, Trump is the most mentally unbalanced and unfit person, least respecting of the Rule of Law, of them all:


Let's see how many times Trump suggested executions for people based on scant evidence, noting that the penalty for treason is execution:

Do you believe that the Failing New York Times just did a story stating that the United States is substantially increasing Cyber Attacks on Russia. This is a virtual act of Treason by a once great paper so desperate for a story, any story, even if bad for our Country. ---Donald Trump.

Continuing on, all quotes suggesting execution (by alleging Treason ) based on scant evidence by Trump:

May 23, 2019 [Speech at farmers event]: "But should she lose, we'll have an insurance policy, and we'll get this guy out of office. And that's what they said, and that's what they meant. That's treason. That's treason. They couldn't win the election, and that's what happened. And that's what's happening right now because -- without the "treason" word, I guess -- but that's what's happening now."

May 20, 2019 [Rally]: "It's his fault, no, it's his fault. Now, we caught 'em. They were spying -- they were spying on our campaign. I'll tell you what, if that ever happened to the other side, this thing would have been over two years ago, and you know it would have been treason. They would have called it treason and that's what it is. It was treason and it should never be allowed to happen to another President again ever, ever, ever."

May 17, 2019 [Tweet]: "My Campaign for President was conclusively spied on. Nothing like this has ever happened in American Politics. A really bad situation. TREASON means long jail sentences, and this was TREASON!"

May 12, 2019 [Tweet]: "The Democrats new and pathetically untrue sound bite is that we are in a “Constitutional Crisis.” They and their partner, the Fake News Media, are all told to say this as loud and as often as possible. They are a sad JOKE! We may have the strongest Economy in our history, best employment numbers ever, low taxes & regulations, a rebuilt military & V.A., many great new judges, & so much more. But we have had a giant SCAM perpetrated upon our nation, a Witch Hunt, a Treasonous Hoax. That is the Constitutional Crisis & hopefully guilty people will pay!"

May 8, 2019 [Tweet]: "Everyone wants to know who needs to be accountable, because it took up two years of our lives talking about this Russian involvement. It proved No Collusion, & people want to trace it back to see how this all happened?” @ainsleyearhardt @foxandfriends TREASONOUS HOAX!"

April 19, 2019 [Tweet]: "...big, fat, waste of time, energy and money - $30,000,000 to be exact. It is now finally time to turn the tables and bring justice to some very sick and dangerous people who have committed very serious crimes, perhaps even Spying or Treason. This should never happen again!"

April 10, 2019 [Pool spray with South Korea president]: "And I know a lot of people were very disappointed, but they knew the real answer. You know, when the Democrats go behind the scenes and they go into a room backstage and they sit and they talk, they laugh because they know it's all a big scam, a big hoax. And it's called politics, but this is dirty politics and this is actually treason."

April 10, 2019 [Tweet]: "I think what the Democrats are doing with the Border is TREASONOUS. Their Open Border mindset is putting our Country at risk. Will not let this happen!"

April 10, 2019 [Tweet]: "So, it has now been determined, by 18 people that truly hate President Trump, that there was No Collusion with Russia. In fact, it was an illegal investigation that should never have been allowed to start. I fought back hard against this Phony & Treasonous Hoax!"

April 10, 2019 [Press gaggle]: "And they got caught. And what they did was treason. What they did was terrible. What they did was against our Constitution and everything we stand for. So hopefully that will happen. There is a hunger for that to happen in this country like I have never seen before, including all of the millions of people that voted for me. What they did was disgraceful.'"

April 6, 2019 [Tweet]: "Why should I be defending a fraudulent Russian Witch Hunt. It’s about time the perpetrators of this fraud on me and the American People start defending their dishonest and treasonous acts. How and why did this terrible event begin? Never Forget!"

April 2, 2019 [Pool spray with NATO chief]: "And I hope that's going to continue forward because people did things that were very, very bad for our country and very, very illegal and, you could even say, "treasonous." Okay?"

March 27, 2019 [Interview with Sean Hannity]: "So he didn't want to do anything because he thought that Clinton was going to win and he didn't want to upset the apple cart. But he knew about it. And the question is, one of the many, many questions, and this is probably not as big as other questions, because you are talking about major, major treason and corruption."

March 25, 2019 [Pool spray with Israeli prime minister]: "It's lasted a long time. We're glad it's over. It's 100 percent the way it should have been. I wish it could have gone a lot sooner, a lot quicker. There are a lot of people out there that have done some very, very evil things, very bad things. I would say treasonous things against our country."


Feb. 18, 2019 [Tweet]: “The biggest abuse of power and corruption scandal in our history, and it’s much worse than we thought. Andrew McCabe (FBI) admitted to plotting a coup (government overthrow) when he was serving in the FBI, before he was fired for lying & leaking.” @seanhannity @FoxNews Treason!

Feb. 18, 2019 [Tweet]: "There is a lot of explaining to do to the millions of people who had just elected a president who they really like and who has done a great job for them with the Military, Vets, Economy and so much more. This was the illegal and treasonous “insurance policy” in full action!"

Sept. 6, 2018 [Interview with FOX]: "Well number one, The Times should never have done that, because really what they've done is, virtually, you know it's treason. You can call it a lot of things. But to think that you have somebody in all of the Cabinet, so many people. You know, they came forward, they're writing editorials. They're all saying, you know, it's gotta be at a fairly low level."

Sept. 6, 2018 [Rally]: "I mean, you look at the Washington Post or the New York Times, I can never get a good story. I mean, you look at this horrible thing that took place today, it's really -- is it subversion? Is it treason? It's a horrible thing. Even -- you know the good thing about that? Even liberals that hate me say that's terrible what they did. And it is really terrible."

Sept. 5, 2018 [Tweet]: "TREASON?"

Sept. 3, 2018 [Interview with Daily Caller]: "I mean they were surveilling my campaign. If that happened on the other foot, they would've considered that treasonous. They would've considered that spying at the highest level."

June 23, 2018 [Interview with Mike Huckabee]: "Well, first of all, we came to a wonderful agreement [with North Korea]. It's a shame that the fake news covers it the way they do. Honestly, it's almost treasonous, if you want to know the truth, because we signed an agreement and the big thing that they'd said was I met, okay? You know, there was nothing else they could say. I met. Well, let me tell you we got our hostages back, we get the remains back of our great heroes that have died, thousands and thousands of young people."

Feb. 5, 2018 [Speech]: "It got to a point where I really didn’t even want to look up too much during the [State of the Union] over to that side because honestly, it was bad energy. Even on positive news, really positive news like that, they were like death and un-American. Un-American. Somebody said treasonous. I mean, yeah, I guess, why not."

Jan. 11, 2018 [Interview with WSJ]: "And what went on with the FBI, where a man is tweeting to his lover that if she loses, we’ll essentially go back to the—we’ll go to the insurance policy, which is—if they lose, we’ll go to phase 2, and we’ll get this guy out of office. I mean, this is the FBI we’re talking about. I think that is—that is treason. See, that’s treason right there. ... By the way, that’s a treasonous act. What he tweeted to his lover is a treasonous act."


Source; https://www.axios.com/2019/06/16/trump-treason-russia-investigation-new-york-times

 

IF you are going to call my argument, 'idiotic' then refute my argument, not the ones I quote, because the words in your quotes are quotes I included, they are merely supplemental data,they not the argument I expressed being posited in the OP. Ie., refute my words, not others.

Also, 'idiotic' not a coherent term in a debate over specifics, it is an ad hom.

Improve the caliber of your argument, if you honestly want me to believe you have credibility criticizing me.

 

No, when FBI is searching for evidence, they routinely disallow non authorized personnel near so that they can get the job done.

They do not have to apologize or justify their existence to anyone, they are there to do a job. They are professionals.

If Trump believes they are planting evidence, he can submit evidence, i.e. tapes from the many cameras that exist at Mar a lago in the trial, if there is one.

Your point, therefore, is wholly without merit.

 

Donald's lies never stood up in court.
Otherwise he would have won the election.

Yay, it's an MSM conspiracy. Right wing media told you ...

 

They didn't 'steal' anything, they can't remove anything that is not on the authorization list.

 

No ****, Sherlock, that's why the FBI thieves will be forced to return it.