Ken Starr, Clinton investigator, dead at 76

Yeah Gingrich took it full throttle.

 

Ken Starr's headstone:

Defender of Jeffrey Epstein
Defender of The Blackwater 4
Defender of Trump

"Starr was also part of Jeffrey Epstein's legal team when the accused pedophile was given a deal in 2008 that immunized him from federal prosecution. He also represented Blackwater USA contractors who were accused of war crimes for killing civilians in Fallujah during the Iraq War. In 2014, four former Blackwater contractors were found guilty and sentenced to long prison terms, though Trump pardoned them in 2020."

https://boingboing.net/2022/09/13/clinton-investigator-and-epstein-lawyer-ken-starr-dead-at-76.html

 

This Starr?

Because Starr's office allegedly leaked portions to press about sexual details that were mentioned in his report, he was criticized for using the scandal as a political maneuver and was charged for violating legal ethics by presenting information irrelevant to an investigation as evidence of legal wrongdoing.


Also, it is unclear whether Starr had the legal authority to ask Clinton questions about his sexual relationship with Lewinsky, as the OIC was convened solely to investigate Whitewater and Paula Jones' claim that Clinton sexually harassed her. Questioning about a sexual relationship void of assault appears to be both irrelevant under the Federal Rules of Evidence (FRE) as a whole and under Rule 413, which allows questioning about separate allegations of sexual assault (which was never asserted about Lewinsky's relationship with Clinton)




The report was also criticized for exaggerating what the legal definition of perjury is, accusing Clinton of committing perjury after only one witness claimed he did so and saying that Clinton lied when he said he did not have sexual relations with Lewinsky in terms described by Paula Jones' attorneys. Two of the three parts of the definition of "sexual relations" described by Jones' attorneys during her lawsuit had been ruled out by presiding Judge Susan Webber Wright as "too broad" and legally unacceptable.

The report alleged that Clinton considered oral sex to be a form of sexual relations and that the relationship between him and Lewinsky lasted longer than the date he described, but presented nothing relevant to back its claims. The report also claimed that Clinton falsely denied under oath ever meeting with Lewinsky alone at times, despite the fact that Clinton did admit to this when he testified, and that Clinton obstructed justice by concealing gifts he gave to Lewinsky and destroying an intimate note that was left in a book he claimed Lewinsky gave him when she visited the White House on January 4, 1998. Lewinsky's testimony that Clinton concealed gifts was contradicted by both Clinton's testimony and that of his personal secretary Betty Currie, who each said that it was Lewinsky who asked him for some gifts and that he tended to give a number of his staff gifts as an act of courtesy. Betty Currie also produced some of the gifts Clinton gave to Lewinsky before the grand jury. Clinton also denied ever seeing such an intimate note and the Secret Service WAVES records showed Lewinsky did not visit the White House on any given date in 1998

Starr also presented nothing credible to back his claim that Clinton obstructed justice by asking Lewinsky to file an affidavit denying there was ever a relationship between the two or that both Lewinsky and Clinton denied what had truly happened during the relationship under oath The report also alleged Clinton's job offer to Lewinsky was an attempt to keep her from admitting the relationship to the public and thus obstruct justice, but had nothing relevant to back this claim either.


Starr also accused Clinton of denying under oath that he ever had a conversation with Vernon Jordan about Lewinsky's involvement in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Clinton, however, was never asked this when he testified during the Jones case.

Starr also accused Clinton of witness tampering by influencing Currie to testify in favor of him. Currie, however, was not called as a witness when stated what she saw had happened during the relationship between Clinton and Lewinsky and it was demonstrated that Lewinsky was a friend of Currie's who had exchanged some of the gifts Clinton gave Lewinsky during a visit. While Starr did acknowledge that Currie did visit Lewinsky's apartment and exchanged the gifts with her, he also claimed that the fact that Currie drove to Lewinsky's apartment proved Lewinsky's testimony that Clinton concealed the gifts was correct and Currie's and Clinton's were both false.This claim about was denounced as without any basis or logic

Starr also claimed that Clinton simultaneously delayed testimony for seven months and lied to potential grand jury witnesses by publicly denying the relationship, and thus committed a criminal felony by refusing to testify. When Clinton made his claim about his relationship with Lewinsky to the public, however, he was not under oath and thus it legally was not a felony. There was also no evidence that Clinton committed witness tampering by privately denying the relationship to these witnesses and asking them to testify in his favor.


Starr also argued that Clinton abused power by: denying the relationship with Lewinsky ever occurred; using executive privilege to both pursue an appeal against the case without Starr's knowledge; using executive privilege to cover up the relationship; delaying his grand jury testimony until August, and by getting the Secret Service to agree to assist in covering up the relationship in an acquiescing matter. However, a letter was discovered that showed Clinton's legal team had informed Starr before the appeals took place.


The report was also misleading when it reflected the Supreme Court's ruling that the President could not use the Secret Service to assist in whatever they wanted help with. Supreme Court Chief Justice William Rehnquist, who wrote the majority opinion, had also stated that any case with merit, the prospect of an appeal would be granted. When Clinton pursued the appeal before the DC District Court, the court's Chief Justice Norma Holloway Johnson acknowledged that Clinton was cooperating with Starr and did not use executive privilege to cover up the relationship. Abuse of power had also been defined in The Federalist Papers as "corrupt use of the office for personal gain or some other improper purpose," which was not demonstrated in this case.


YEAH, THAT ENTIRE STARR THING WAS A TOTAL MESS, ADMIT IT

In January 2020, while testifying as a defense lawyer for U.S. President Donald Trump during his Senate impeachment trial, Starr himself would retract some of the allegations he made in the report.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starr_Report#Stated_possible_grounds_for_impeachment

 

Not bad enough since she voted for Hillary in 2016 according to her profile for the "Impeachment" series from the NYT.
That's what Trump can cause even Lewinsky to do. lol

 

❗️ ~ I don't think we are allowed to say that on the internet ... ?

 

never said it was, just wonder if Trump would tell the truth if asked the same questions about if he cheated on his wives

 

At least she fessed up while Starr was still alive and kind of spoke out, but not to the media when Kavanaugh was nominated to the SCOTUS.


Former Ken Starr Advisor Says He Had Affair, Is Misogynistic
https://jezebel.com › after-20-years-former-ken-starr-ad...


Jul 14, 2021 — Judi Hershman slammed Starr for his role in some of the worst chapters in contemporary politics, but she's complicit too.

Judi Hershman
Jul 12, 2021

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·Ken Starr, Brett Kavanaugh, Jeffrey Epstein and Me


https://medium.com/@judihershman/ken-starr-brett-kavanaugh-jeffrey-epstein-and-me-ba2dbf77b0da

 

No. Clinton was impeached for perjury to a grand jury and obstruction of justice.
Trump is irrelevant.

 

I doubt it. Trump lies routinely.

 

Tribal loyalties but the difference is little Billy got caught with his pants down with a girl in the closet and his friends got busted for stealing from the teacher's RTC candy jar. On the other hand, little Donnie managed the girls dance team so he could grab 'em by their heart shaped boxes, and he paid Susie and Steffie to have sex with him, or rather to keep quite about having had sex with him and they put his buddy Mikey in timeout for it. Some of his buddies got put in timeout for sharing secrets with the rival high school about the homecoming game and Donnie was busted after graduation with copies of secret plays at his summer camp to which all of Donnie's buddies say, so what, he loves our high school way more than Billy does.

 

~ Ironically nobody really cared about Bill's sexual escapades. He would be a hero today if he had just admitted the truth and confessed that Hillary was a bore. We all understand ...

 

He did end the political career of Clinton successor Gov. Jim Guy Tucker and thus jumpstart the career of Mike Huckabee.

 

Indeed. His gopac memo became the blueprint for right wing attacks on anyone they hated.

 

She shouldn't have gotten a penny. She was the beginning of the downfall of the Republican Party to become nothing more than an instrument of political calumny.

 

To boot, while his complaints about Clinton having an affair in the WH are reasonable, he himself was engaging in the exact same behavior, all the while hypocritically spouting his false morals.

That behavior in indicative of the current Republican leadership.

 

Please don't ruin my jokes the way bill ruined her dress!

 

The Jones/Lewinsky investigation was authorized by the Attorney General adding to his area of investigation. Questioning a boss accused of sexual harassment about other sexual relations with other subordinate employees is mandated under the Molinari amendment which Clinton signed into office. When Clinton's attorney objected Judge Wright ORDER the testimony be given.

Clinton submit a false affidavit. Prima facie evidence of perjury and obstruction of justice. He also suborned the perjury from another person. The Judge Wright instructed him that sexual relations including any and all sexual activity. His own attorney asked him if he meatn ANY type of sexual activity and he replied yes.

Lewinsky committed perjury TOO. They both did. Part of the contempt citation by Judge Wright was for lying about gifts.

PRIMA FACIE, the attempt was so Jones could not use it as evidence that subordinate workers who DID grant sexual favors DID receive such special favor and rewards.

I believe that was during the grand jury

Doesn't matter she was on the witness list and Judge Wright as the deposition was ending instructed him NOT to discuss his testimony with any other possible witness. What did he do, he went back to the WH and called Betty Currie in and then tried to influence her testimony. Currie testified to the tampering in the grand jury which indicted him for it.

The witness tampering was with Currie

Yes Clinton did.

Is there a point there

Then why did he plea bargain the criminal charge?

Did Clinton lie under oath about his sexual relationship with a subordinate employee..................yes
Did he submit a false affidavit denying that relationship.............................yes
Did he suborn the perjury of another person...........................yes
Did he tamper with another witness............yes

 

More right wing BS, you know Starr was a right wing tool, he created the worst report EVER , but you "believe" the crap because he wrote it

 

Not infidelity, perjury, failing to pay taxes and obstruction of justice, all of which Clinton admitted. He resigned from the university when he learned of the scandal.

 

Hillary killed him.

 

More historical fact which of course you cannot refute............facts are tough aren't they.

If they are BS then refute it

Then why did he plea bargain the criminal charge?

Did Clinton lie under oath about his sexual relationship with a subordinate employee..................yes
Did he submit a false affidavit denying that relationship.............................yes
Did he suborn the perjury of another person...........................yes
Did he tamper with another witness............yes

Do you believe a boss accused of sexual harassment in the workplace should be able to lie about it in federal civil rights lawsuit?

 

Why would sexually harassing subordinate employees make him a hero?

 

~ He would be the first career politician caught without pants to admit the truth .

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So you can sexually harass subordinate employees as a long as you admit it you can be a hero...............weird.

 

~ You can if you are Bill Clinton. The democrats considered him one, and Teddy Kennedy as well.
It is indeed weird — but that is today's Democrat Party.