Live-Action The Little Mermaid Movie 2023

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Mermaids aren't supposed to be black or white but they are supposed to be TOPLESS. C 'mon disney where's your commitment to authenticity?
     
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    Don’t think they were Wakandians:)
     
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    Not exactly. The older Princesses were white becsuse that’s who was spending money and that’s who the audience was. They expanded over the years and they were created, NOT race swapped and replaced. You still are completely avoiding the entire point of the discussion. Create NEW characters that makes sense like they have been doing. It has NOTHING to do with other races. It’s REPLACING characters because they need to virtue signal. It’s token crap. It’s pathetic and creatively bankrupt.

    And WTF does Trump have to do with this? Damn TDS brain damage?

    Like I said, it’s lazy. Make Blade white, but they won’t because it doesn’t make sense. Black Ariel doesn’t make sense either. Just like a white Tiana doesn’t make sense. Why is it OK race swapping in one direction and NOT OK in the other?

    And I’m not mad. Just pointing out the insanity of Hollywood and YOU can’t stand it and won’t acknowledge it, and instead just call names because you have NO DEFENSE for it.
     
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    Nothing in Tolkien's writings says that all elves are white. And the material he was drawing from mentions dark-skinned elves.

    Nothing in Martin's writings say that there are no black Targaryens. The author consults on the show had apparently has no problem with it.

    Nothing in Tolkien's writings say that there were no black dwarves. And the material he was drawing from mentions dark-skinned elves, which many scholars say were probably the same thing as the dwarves in the folklore.

    There is no "twisting of lore" with the above. Just butthurt righties racially virtue signaling.

    You mean like Bucky?

    Then why was Bucky there?

    The film you are now switching tracks to is a HISTORICAL film. Involving HISTORICAL figures. And it isn't like there isn't a metric **** load of examples of white people playing non-white historical figures. Jesus in . . . well, almost every movie in the West that's ever been made about Jesus, Ramses in Exodus: Gods and Kings, pretty much the whole cast of 21. Ben Affleck playing a Hispanic man in Argo. And we could fill an entire thread with the fictional examples.

    He's already been cast, but there are plenty of examples of non-white comic characters re-cast as white.

    Why?

    The woke right sure is upset.

    It objectively has worked both ways. You've been given many examples.

    Except those capable of rubbing two brain cells together and doing some homework.

    Most film versions of said story have been all-white.

    You haven't really mentioned any "established white characters" that were re-cast as black or male to female. And there are tons of examples of historical figures and fantasy characters who were recast as white.

    More projection.
     
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    Just more cultural appropriation by the people who made complaining about "cultural appropriation" a thing.
     
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    LoL if someone cast a white person into a historically black "remake" we know exactly what would happen.
     
  7. Daniel Light

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    *laughs* So tell me - just when did fictional mermaids develop a "culture"?
     
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    When they were written about by the cultures that created their mythologies.

    That's why the Kishi is black, as it's just as fictional but was created by a different culture consisting of black people.

    Would you need further explanation on the obvious stuff you clearly missed?
     
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    Could you quote where in the material the "dark skinned elves" comes from? I don't think that's accurate but if you have new information on this fast moving Tolkien breaking news I'd like to read it.
     
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    I think you're wrong. Hollywood has quotas now....
     
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    Svartalfar appear in the Prose Eda. The name literally means dark/swarthy/black/dusky elves. Same for the Dokkalfar (dark elves). Only the Ljosalfr are described as being fair skinned.
     
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    You realize that a number of sailors who helped create the sea monsters and mermaid myths were of different heritage than white - right?
    Any other obvious stuff you missed that I can help you with?
     
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    What is unfair? OR what do you think is unfair?
     
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    *Actively resisting the urge to make "fair" jokes regarding the skin color of characters*
     
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    I take it black is not your favorite color.
    What is wrong with the color black?
     
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    UH...that's not Tolkien.
     
  17. Daniel Light

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    Could you quote the section of Tolkien mythology where he states that elves are "white people with fake pointy ears pasted on ...". Since you want
    to be accurate and all... WTF, dude. Get real.
     
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    Uh . . . you didn't read the post that you quoted. I said that Tolkien DREW from sources that mentioned dark skinned elves. That's what you quoted when you asked me the question to begin with. Also, let me know when you find that quote from Tolkien saying that ALL of his elves are white.
     
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    And no one ever complained about such, as that was the basis for the Drizzt Do'Urden character from the Forgotten Realms series. He was an extremely popular character in D&D circles.

    That's not what the current trend is about though. We all know what it's about and no amount of smoke blowing is going to work.
     
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    Bingo.
     
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    Ah yes the ancient mariners of sub-saharan Africa who charted the world.

    blah blah blah.
     
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    Which cultures would they be?
    Do you think of white cultures ever sailed or had mermaid myths?
    Or were other cultures mixed in with all those sailors?

    Further explanation is needed. Clearly something is missing.
     
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    The one's I listed in the previous response of Germanic, English and Norse.

    Regale me of tales of your ancient African mariners writing of mermaids and mapping the world though.
     
  24. dairyair

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    Huh?

    Do you think there were ever Egyptian sailors? Or other African countries that didn't have sailors?

    ...
    This limestone fragment depicts a prow of a ship. There are sailors, facing right; the foremost sailor holds a pole or a spear. The ship was originally painted black while the sailors were painted red. From Egypt, precise provenance is unknown. Old Kingdom, circa 2686–2181 BCE. The Petrie Museum of Egyptian Archaeology, London (With thanks to The Petrie Museum of Egyptian Archaeology, UCL).
    Ship and Sailors from ancient Egypt (Illustration) - World History Encyclopedia


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    Why is skin color so important for people. Especially if the color isn't white?

    Do people realize this is fictional character stuff? That means, it's made up and not real.
    So, fictional characters can be anything the writer wants them to be.
     
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    Or that European sailors never sailed outside of Europe. When did any European folklorist ever claim that all mermaids are white?
     

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