Ukraine referendum

Some people are not too smart. One Ukrainian said that she wished they would kill all the Russians because men are being sent to the front with only 2 weeks training and old women are crying for the husbands they lost.

Excuse me, but who is sending the men to the front? Russia was willing to work out a peace deal right from the start. It's Zalensky, and he's getting his orders from Washington to keep the war going on until the last Ukrainian. The genocide hasn't been just towards the Russians, but on the non Russian speaking Ukrainians as well. They just didn't realize it and were manipulated into doing the killing.


(My apologies to William Shakespeare)

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To reason or not to reason
that is the question.

How can'st one reason
where knowledge is not,

when'st reasoning itself
requires a lot. - Jeannette

 

It looks like Ukraine will give better treatment to Russian soldiers if they surrender to them. I have one question to ask: When will Putin do if and when he runs out of reservists and no more in the bottom of the barrel? Tough question, isn't it?

 

Actually no, because the richest areas of Ukraine will now be part of Russia. If you mean why they haven't freed all of Ukraine, it's because they weren't able to use all their military might since they were limited by their Special Military Operation policy. Now they'll be able to, and they'll have the full backing of the Russian people.

From what I noticed the Russians can be very conciliatory. Putin once said that since Ukraine wants to free themselves completely from their Soviet past, he'll help accommodate them. Well isn't that what he's doing? The land Lenin gave, is now going back to Russia.

Lavrov when speaking from the UN Rostom, said the people voting now are also doing what Zalensky asked them to do in August 2021.

"The West is throwing a tantrum because of the referendums in the LPR, DPR, Kharkiv and Zaporozhye regions. But the people living there are only reacting to what President Zelensky recommended to them in one of his interviews. He advised everyone who felt like a Russian, that for the benefit of their children and grandchildren, to go to Russia.

Well that's what the residents of these regions are doing, but they're not just taking their children and grandchildren, but the land as well that their ancestors have lived on for centuries."
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They have already run out of serviceable rifles to give to the new conscripts. Check out the rusty old non-working crap which Russia is trying to make conscripts go to war with.

 

The 300 thousand are only 1.2% of the Russian military., I'm not good in math, but I think that comes to a Russian army of about 27 million?

The following is not propaganda and lies. It's reality so watch it and weep:

 

They are drafting 63 year old grandfather's and 30 year old coal miners neither of whom ever served in the military. It is pretty clear Putin has lied to his people again. They don't even have functioning rifles to give conscripts. Just look at the rusty old nonworking garbage Russia is handing out.

 

1,154,000 to be more accurate. With 2,000,000 in reserve.
https://armedforces.eu/Russia

 

You do mean the Ukies are conscripting pig and potato farmers, don't you?

 

Here are the future Republics of the Russian Federation. The plan will be to free Kharkov next, since its proximity to the border is a threat to Russia. After that they will take Odessa, and that will connect the Russian Federation to Transnistria.

Looks to me they should have paid heed to Bismark when he said: "With the Russians is to play fair, or don't play."

 

According to that site, the active personnel is 1,154,000. The Reserves is 2,000,000 and 34,765,736 personnel are available. What I read from other sites, is that 27 million are available so they overestimated. This would be about 1/5th of the population - including women.

I'm just speculating.

 

Who knows outside of Putin's inner circle? He (Putin) holds his cards very close to his chest.

PS, I did have a go at entering a Russian government website, I was denied. I'll have a crack at it with a VPN on.

 

Russian Government website.

http://government.ru/en/docs/

 

Referendums in former Ukraine restore historical justice
https://en.news-front.info/2022/09/...istorical-justice/?ysclid=l8gnfx2tmm621314642

Interesting to find out that Lenin gives away land from Russia, to help build Ukraine. Now, Putin takes it back via a referendum.

 

UntilNextTime - If you and anyone is interested in an indepth analysis of what is really going on in the world, and what the outcome might be and what the real fight in Ukraine is about, then you should watch this video by Dr. Steve Turley. He explains why the globalist liberal world order is winning in propaganda, even though it has no basis in reality, while Russia has won economically, (thanks to China and India), and on the battlefield.

 

It sounds like someone is going to go down to defeat. Who it will be remains to be seen.

 

Demonstration IN FAVOR of Donbas referendums

Yep, it sure looks like they're coerced and got guns to their heads.

https://www.brighteon.com/f03f4267-5d66-464c-942d-11e1f89ec607

 

I vaguely remember similar to this back in 2017....good chance too...dubious website too...

 

Oh...what links timey?

 

How will it be rigged....
You do know that aside of the 4-5 Russian commissars here the rest are normal ppl right ? far from perfect but normal...

 

The only thing dubious, is you oomy.

 

You know what, I learnt something today, can't say much about many others. During the Lenin era, he gave these regions of Russia away to Ukraine, you know, the ones that are doing these referendums. So, this means the people that are voting, are voting to return to Russia because they speak Russian, they have Russian culture. Funny how the rest of the world doesn't realise this.

 

4 Hrs old @ the time of posting this.

The Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics (DPR and LPR), as well as the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions, are holding referendums on accession to Russia from 23 to 27 September. Russian President Vladimir Putin said this week that Russia would accept any decision the people made during the referendums.
The third day of voting in referendums on joining Russia is taking place in the Donbass republics, and the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions.
In the LPR, voter turnout for two days was 45.86 percent, in the DPR 55.05 percent, in the Kherson region, the turnout for Friday and Saturday was 31.79 percent and in the Zaporozhye region 35.54 percent.

https://sputniknews.com/20220925/li...ns-1101193579.html?ysclid=l8h6tqz6eb177003561

 

Zaporozhye Region Voted in Favor of Acceding to Russia, Poll Shows

MELITOPOL (Sputnik) - Some 93% of people in the Zaporozhye region have voted in favor of acceding to Russia during the first day of the referendum, according to a poll, conducted by the Crimean Republican Institute of Political and Social Studies.

https://sputniknews.com/20220925/za...acceding-to-russia-poll-shows-1101202316.html

 

I do not like an idea of annexing these lands (Donbass, Kherson, etc) from Ukraine by doing the referendums. The next thing would be that these areas will be of course shelled by Ukranian army and then Putin will call for total mobilization because he will consider this as an attack on Russia. And total mobilization is a total BS as many do not know why they should go to war to the territory of another country, so the motivation would be extremely low. That is why probably in Russia now they made the new laws about the evasion or desertion from the army with the strict punishments.

 

Home security cameras show polling officials turning up with armed soldiers.
Now of course any smart person would know Putin wouldn't have a rush poll on joining Russia if he didn't already know the outcome. And he knows the outcome because he controls the outcome.

There's this story about Syria's Assad conducting an election
He won 99.8% of the vote
He was angry this wasn't 100% so demanded to know the names and addresses of the 0.02% who didn't support him.

You get similar voting pattern with Russia and North Korea, for instance - just enough of a no-vote to add a patina of legitimacy.
Of course, in Communist countries 100% of the people vote for the Communists.

Many countries allow you to vote for whoever you like, but the ruling party determines the canditates.
And Iran is in that league too, I understand. So too China, Vietnam and many other countries.
In Russia it's not so tightly controlled, you can be voted into the Duma but you need to be a party member, and you can't become too popular, otherwise you will end up like all of the prominent Russian opposition figures who are dead or in jail.