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You are the one who has lied repeatedly about the Reagan Admin. actions in Central and Latin America, deliberately characterizing occasional one off incidents as being emblematic of U.S. policy.

I always challenge people with "prove it" because I want to see what the basis of their beliefs are.

 

Why don't you? What do you think happened to the 10-12 million people who disappeared in the death camps?

 

First you claim to be fully aware Rotten Ronnies atrocity .. then a few posts later you are claiming these atrocities are a lie. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about .. contradicting yourself from one post to the next.

Then you ramble further nonsense .. stating these were "One off" incidents .. a complete falsehood -- but you have no idea what you are talking about so you wouldn't know. Did you forget Rotten Ronnie was training the soldiers of death squad dictators in terror tactics at the "School of the Americas" ?

Who is the one who has lied repeatedly mate .. caught in yet another as can be seen from your posts above. Why you are so in lover with terrorist actions of tyrants and their supporters .. I do now know .. but this is no reason to go around calling folks liars for presenting you with a mirror.

 

Only a moron would claim that Reagan was an instructor at the Terrorist school - so why would you ask for evidence to the contrary from me .. as if I was the one guilty of the moronic comment.

You were the one caught in lie in the previous post - and now calling me a liar .. then making false insinuatons about Rotten Ronnie teaching at the Terrorist school then asking people to falsify this made up idiocy.

Who is the liar who can't remember his own tales from one post to the next - demonstrated in previous post - who is.the one who minds not the most horrific atrocity .. so long as its our proxies doing the killing .. rape, torture and murder of American nuns and missionaries .. no problem for you .. dismissing these atrocities on the basis of being "One offs" .. which is absurd but also completely false .. and you know it is false .. as I have previously informed you of the various evil foreign policy of Rotten Ronnie in Central America .. Genocide - Crimes against Humanity - war crimes .. .. Of which you are a big fan .. and welcome you are to your opinion .. as offensive as it may be . I however disagree

 

Putin will always be defended by the usual Useful Idiots in the West, employing the tactic of Moral Equivalence.
When America annexes another nation, after destroying it, I will be persuaded of their 'arguments.'

credit Australian newspaper.

 

I asked you a simple question which was:

"...do you really believe that the "human skin lampshades", "human fat soap", shrunken heads, "human skin Pocketbooks", homicidal gas, steam and electrocution chambers (1) etc that were featured in Billy Wilder's propaganda "documentary", "Death Mills", were authentic?"

I'll answer your question anyway. I hope you'll answer mine.

First, the numbers: "5 million others" and "6 million Jews" were just made up by Simon Wiesenthal and other Holocaust Industry CEOs to better market their "product".

The "5 million others" was fabricated to make the hoax more palatable to non Jews and has no basis in fact (1)

Secondly, according to Jewish sources, the world's Jewish population grew significantly during the war years so that 6 million Jews could not have been killed (2). The claim that "6 million Jews" have been murdered, in peril, are starving, etc has been made about 200 times. Why believe it when there is no evidence to support it?

Finally, the most credible and impartial source, The Red Cross(3), states that there was no evidence of genocide, no homicidal gas chambers and that many of the Jews who were incarcerated were genuine Communist threats to Germany when Communism was already infecting Spain, Finland and preparing to invade Germany and the rest of Europe.(4)



(1) "‘Remember the 11 million’? Why an inflated victims tally irks Holocaust historians"
https://www.timesofisrael.com/remem...ated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians/

EXCERPT "An oft-cited statistic of 5 million non-Jewish Holocaust deaths has no basis in fact, experts say, and may be contributing to denial efforts.
Indeed, say those close to the late Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal, its progenitor, it is a number that was intended to increase sympathy for Jewish suffering but which now is more often used to obscure it.

Bauer and other historians who knew Wiesenthal said the Nazi hunter told them that he chose the 5 million number carefully: He wanted a number large enough to attract the attention of non-Jews who might not otherwise care about Jewish suffering, but not larger than the actual number of Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust, 6 million." CONTINUED


(2) "Was there Really a Holocaust?"
https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm

EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED


(3) "THE JEWS ANDTHE CONCENTRATION CAMPS:
A FACTUAL APPRAISAL BY THE RED CROSS"
http://all.net/books/iw/mid-east/unity-news.2000-12-03/www.ummah.net/unity/holocaust/09.htm

EXCERPT "The Red Cross Report is of value in that it first clarifies the legitimate circumstances under which Jews were detained in concentration camps, i.e. as enemy aliens. In describing the two categories. of civilian internees, the Report distinguishes the second type as "Civilians deported on administrative grounds (in German, "Schutzhäftlinge"), who were arrested for political or racial motives because their presence was considered a danger to the State or the occupation forces" (Vol. 111, p. 73)


NO EVIDENCE OF GENOCIDE
One of the most important aspects of the Red Cross Report is that it clarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred in the camps towards the end of the war.

Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 7.

In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend." CONTINUED


(4) "Germany invaded to pre-empt imminent Soviet attack"

 

It's all fake, my friend. Never happened.
In fact World War 2 never happened - it's like the moon landing and 911, all done with smoke and mirrors to justify America occupying Europe, the Middle East and Asia/Pacific. There was no holocaust, no Pearl Harbor, no Hitler even.

 

In other words, you can't refute anything I've written & supported.

 

I grew up knowing a few Jews from the concentration camps. One had a scar across her face. Others said they lost all their family in those camps.
I didn't believe a word of it.

 

Why are you responding to a post about Rotten Ronnie in Central America with this "Rusia Russia" rant .. followed by running around calling others idiots - for rejecting the idiocy presented in your post.

 

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In post #303 you posted,

Did you forget Rotten Ronnie was training the soldiers of death squad dictators in terror tactics at the "School of the Americas" ?

Now which of us is the liar and moron?

 

I grew up knowing more than a few WW 2 survivors, Veterans and civilians of various nationalities.

After my military service & civilian experiences in the Mid East, I worked, lived and studied in what was then W. German where I became fluent enough to pass for German. There I came to know even more WW 2 survivors, work camp survivors, German WW 2 Veterans & former POWs.

If you are capable of having a civil & honest discussion on this topic without the sarcasm, please continue at an appropriate thread.
i.e.: "About the Holocaust"
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-114

Thanks,

 

@Gifteddone ? Why do you go whining to the moderators when I call you a "liar"?

 

How is the government of Italy "Fascist"?


How is the government of Italy "Fascist"?

 

Is it possible to have a real discussion with a holocaust denier,!

 

Well no because most of them are complete and utter idiots. The Germans themselves heavily documented the events of the Holocaust. Just look at @Grau by way of example.

 

Where have I or anyone else denied that the holocaust happened?

 

My statement was rhetorical……I have told the story here before. My mom at age 19 witnessed an example of the holocaust when the Germans executed by shooting Jews from her village in a ditch at the far back end of my grandfathers farm. She heard the shooting when she was bringing the dairy herd back in the evening . The next morning when she brought the herd back out she saw the bodies in a ditch and spoke with a Jewish woman who was taking care of the body of her husband.the Jewish woman said to my mom “ when they finish with us they will do the same with you”. My mom was taken by the Germans to forced labor camps soon after she witnessed what the Germans did in her village.

 

Oh you Poohbear.

 

No, that's sarcasm. Some of my old, now long gone, friends were incarcerated in the German camps and saw terrible things.

 

Oh sorry I did not realize that. It is hard to tell sarcasm when in written form.

 

One friend's mother jumped from a train carrying her and her family through Poland. She was found by the partisans.
None of her family were seen again. To say, as Irving says, that most of the Jews lived out their war years peeling potatoes is highly offensive, deeply racist.
And today UC Berkley are showing the same racism. It ultimately creeps into everything - antisemitism is growing fast in our supposedly anti-racist world.

 

If "they" are "complete and utter idiots",. what does that make someone who is entirely incapable of refuting anything that I have both written and supported?

All you've done is evade honest questions and slander me.

 

You've asked "honest questions"? Give us a break.

 

The story that has never been told is the story of people like my parents who not being Jews but still considered undermenshen by the Germans and were sent to forced labor camps. Those were Ukrainians, Poles, Belaruses, some Russians, Don Cossacks, and others. Most forced labor camps were industrial so inmates worked in horrible dangerous conditions and it was slow death. My future mom and dad got transferred to a agricultural camp and were “assigned” to farm work. That improved their chance of survival and reduced chances of disease or injury. That happened because the Allie’s bombed out German factories. Forced labor inmates were at times collateral damage. Some farm workers got hurt or killed as collateral damage. My mom told me a out a worker who was driving wheat to the mill from the farm my mom was assigned to in a horse drawn wagon. An allied fighter bomber fired rockets at the wagon and killed the driver and the horse. The farmer who they worked for was passed off that the horse was killed. He could have cared less that a forced laborer was killed since the worker was not German but Ukrainian. My parents met in the refugee camp after the US army liberated them from their respective camps.