Germany's armed forces must become the best-equipped military force in Europe, says Scholz | DW News

A lie. Not surprising coming from you though.

Well, of course you are. You're the number one apologist and propagandist for the US empire and its criminal acts. You will always deny their involvement, even when it's obvious.

I haven't said one lie. You, on the other hand...

 

Says everyone with half a brain and a shred of honesty.

The regime in Kiev came into power through a violent, CIA-backed coup, after which they proceeded to oppress and brutalize the eastern half of the country.

And you are complicit in those crimes.

 

You're a troll. You have no leg to stand on.

 

More Russian lies. Have some shame, man.

 

The arguments against Germany's having a strong military to intervene in Ukraine have been based on its previous behavior and war crimes, real and alleged.
Several people have expressed the opinion that Germany cannot be trusted with a strong military due to previous abuses.

It is my contention that every country has the potential to commit grotesque atrocities and I simply chose Eisenhower's Death Camps as an example of any country's ability to abuse its military power.

Your inability to refute that reality compelled you to slander me as a "Russian troll"

It is entirely up to the German people to decide how much they want to invest in their military and where they want sacrifice the lives of their young men and women.

 

Stop lying, man. You are not fooling anyone.

 

I never called you a Russian troll, but that's the quality of information and argumentation that you're using.

If you're going to make an argument that every country has the potential to commit atrocities, at least try using something real instead of imaginary.

 

There was no coupe. The people simply rose up against a corrupt politician then held new democratic elections. That is what scared Putin so much. The idea of a corrupt would be dictator getting tossed out by the people.

 

Please don't further insult my intelligence by denying that you were talking about me when you wrote the following immediately after my Post # 264:

"Welp, they've done it again. The Russian trolls have derailed a thread. This is supposed to be about Germany building up its armed forces to be better prepared for self defense and aiding Ukraine, not about conspiracy theories about Eisenhower."

You're so obsessed with "Russian trolls" that you hear them under your bed at night and see them around every corner.

Not everyone who disagrees with you or exposes Eisenhower's bigoted and criminal sadism is a "Russian troll".

I find the selective gullibility of professionally brainwashed WW 2 enthusiasts both interesting and distressing in that the same people who will swallow nonsense about "human skin lampshades", shrunken heads "human skin pocketbooks" and homicidal gas, steam and electrocution chambers (1) without question will reject countless eyewitness accounts(2), photographic evidence, voluntary confessions and even the bigoted hatred of one of history's worst war criminals:

“God, I hate the Germans...”
— Dwight D. Eisenhower
https://quotefancy.com/quote/796826/Dwight-D-Eisenhower-God-I-hate-the-Germans

After what the US did to the German people during and after WW 2, why should they sacrifice their young men and women in a war that is not in their best interests?



(1) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED



(2) "What those who survived the death camps have to say about the book"
http://lovkap.blogspot.com/2017/01/eisenhowers-death-camps.html

ONE QUOTE OF MANY:
"Starting in April 1945, the United States Army and the French Army casually annihilated one million [German] men, most of them in American camps . . . Eisenhower's hatred, passed through the lens of a compliant military bureaucracy, produced the horror of death camps unequalled by anything in American history . . . an enormous war crime."
-- Col. Ernest F. Fisher, PhD Lt.
101st Airborne Division, Senior Historian, United States Army

 

Are you still trying to spam that old debunked Soviet propaganda lie? The truth is the US treated Germans well in accordance to the Geneva Convention while the Russians were the same barbaric criminals as they are today in Ukraine. That is why everyone was fleeing from Soviet occupied East Germany to West Germany.

 

I don't think the CIA has ever been as an organization "evil". They've mainly been a bureaucracy. One that has promoted the interests of the United States and its allies.

 

1) "Some" does not mean "all" or "most".
2) "Some" in no way implies official or unofficial policies of the United States

 

Not to mention if an American soldier does something wrong he gets held accountable and is brought to justice. In Russia and Communist China genocide and war crimes are official state policy.

 

In regards to the Vietnam War people love to bring up Calley's unit for committing atrocities, yet they forget to mention it was other American soldiers that stopped those killings.

 

If you'll please notice, that is precisely why I put the word "some" in bold.

My whole point has been that some American G.I.s like Eisenhower can be as vicious as any German and I have had extensive experience living and working closely alongside both as I have explained in previous Posts.

Do you really think that Americans are the only people in the world who have not to some extent been propagandized ?

I hope you'll do some research on the close relationship between the OWI (Office of War Information; America's propaganda ministry) and Hollywood.(1)
When Billy Wilder filmed the shocking and popular "Death Mills" which featured fake "human skin pocketbooks", shrunken heads, fake "human fat soap" and fake "human skin lampshades", German POWs were forced to pile up the nude bodies that were actually German civilians and German POWs, not dead camp inmates.

Above all, think for yourself.

Thanks,


(1) "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps"
https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/

EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war.

But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services.CONTINUED

 

Yes. Because the American media has a decades long adversarial tradition regarding the federal government in general and the military in particular.

 

HAPPY GERMAN HERITAGE MONTH!

 

I'm afraid that you're only exemplifying the effect to which US propaganda has been effective. One of the goals of propaganda is to deceive people without them knowing they're being deceived.


"How Hollywood became the unofficial propaganda arm of the U.S. military"
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/how-...-propaganda-arm-of-the-u-s-military-1.5560575

EXCERPTS "Second World War launched Hollywood into a propaganda war that continues to this day.
The U.S. Office of War Information had a unit dedicated exclusively to Hollywood, the Bureau of Motion Pictures, Mirlees says.

Between 1942 and 1945, the Bureau reviewed 1,652 scripts, revising or discarding anything that portrayed the U.S. unfavourably, including any material that made Americans seem "oblivious to the war or anti-war.

"The head of the Office of War Information was Elmer Davis who said, 'The easiest way to inject a propaganda idea into most people's minds is to let it go through the medium of an entertainment picture when they do not realize they're being propagandized,'" Mirrlees said." CONTINUED

 

This explains much - fish out of water for the first time .. can finally see the water. The US has some of the most "propagandized" citizens on the planet - possibly even a better than China - although that can be contentiously debated.. my argument would be that because the US citizens do not realize it .. is much better job.

US citizens are regarded the world over as rather ignorant of the would .. outside the US I'm afraid.. and its not for lack of reason .. saw a gal on "Smarter than 5th grader" asked the question "what is capitol of Hungary" .. woman responds "Is that a country" ? its embarassing.. for those of us who has spent some time on the outside of the bubble .. speaking of which .. it sounds like you haven't spent much time outside the Bubble Dayton .. like a fish who never been outside the water.. can't see it.. which is why the propaganda is so effective -- and you are so indoctrinated .. gleaned from our many conversations .. remember "Rottin Ronnie" ? You had absolutely no idea about much of his dirty deeds.. .. were even believing in the economic revisionist history .. and then teaching to school children .. which is unfortunate .. as young minds need to be taught about propaganda .. critical thinking skills ... things you have yet to distinguish so would not have passed on to the young-uns .. but such is typical. 12 years of school and we fail to teach the founding principle ... the basics of Philosophy - logic, logical fallacy, critical thinking skills how to construct a valid argument. .. an intentionall dumbing down of a sort.. by process of elimination .. the sin of Omission .. Cancel those things that are offensive to partisan sensibility .. like in China

 

Thank you,

"There's a sucker born every minute"
P.T. Barnum(*)

I think that there's a very good reason that of all the countries in the world, P.T Barnum chose America to make his fortune.

Several individuals have expressed reservations about Germany having a stronger military because they have been programmed to believe the simplistic fable that Germany "started WW 1 and WW 2" when even the most casual student of European history knows better.



(*) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_a_sucker_born_every_minute
EXCERPT ""There's a sucker born every minute" is a phrase closely associated with P. T. Barnum, an American showman of the mid-19th century, although there is no evidence that he actually said it. Early examples of its use are found among gamblers and confidence tricksters." CONTINUED

 

A great in depth video on German military and its dysfunctional military procurement system, it's top heavy structure, and horrible military preparedness rates.

 

Agree with the Sucker a minute part .. but American's were much better informed about the world, civics, the basics of Philosophy - logic, logical fallacy, what constitutes valid argument .. than folks today. So not sure US was as good a pickings then as now.. a dumb and dumber show either way though.

 

You are lying. I was fully aware of the things you accused the Reagan Admin. of doing in Central America (mainly).

To a post further up thread. Just because the Pentagon approves scripts doesn't make them "propaganda".

 

Re:

I'm not sure to which post you are referring but do you really believe that the "human skin lampshades", "human fat soap", shrunken heads, "human skin Pocketbooks", homicidal gas, steam and electrocution chambers (1) etc that were featured in Billy Wilder's propaganda "documentary", "Death Mills", were authentic?



(1) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED

 

"You are Lying" - you are the one can't remember what he has said from one post to the next .. unable to remember the last tall tale from one to the next. When Rotten Ronnies atrocities were stated you cried out - "Prove it .. Prove it" in wild disbelief. Then when allegations were proven you desperately tried to apologize for horrific atrocity.

Who is the Liar in this equation mate ?