The complete story of the illegal coup plot by Donald Trump

You have veered far from the context of OUR conversation. I have addressed you specifically about the notion in your title that this is an illegal coup.

You keep giving these lengthy replies while refusing to address the very simple, starightforward point that I have made. It seems that you want to discuss everything but that point.

I will repeat....Even if we assume that every part of the plan laid out above is 100% true, calling that an illegal coup is nothing more than a play on words. Just because the proposed actions would likely be determined to be illegal, that does not make the attempt itself an illegal act, and it most certainly does not make it a coup. A coup would require that it be done outside of the legal system and nothing you have presented shows that this was somehow going to subvert the USSC.

What is your reply to the above statement?

Every part of the plan that you laid out was always still under the scrutiny of the courts, and in no way was it trying to subvert the legal system. That is NOT a coup. It is legal machinations, and nothing more. You have been locked in your echo chamber for so long that you have completely lost the forest for the trees. It is perfectly legal to try to avail oneself of every potential loophole that exists. If any of those attempts are thwarted by being declared illegal, that in NO WAY renders the attempt as being illegal.

What about this do you find so difficult to comprehend?

 

Translation: Ignore high inflation, the recession, high crime, WWIII and remember: orange man bad.

 

You don't know the issues facing the prosecutor, so, I'll file your comment in the wishful thinking file

 

The #1 issue is no evidence of a crime...lol

 

There is a thing called prosecutorial discretion.

One fact in crime is always true, just because you commit a crime, doesn't mean you are going to be prosecuted.

It also means that if a prosecutor decides not to prosecute you, it doesn't mean they like you. More often, it means the circumstances of you and your crime do not assure they will get a conviction, and they are always thinking about their win/loss ratios.

The following is true for Hillary, but not Trump.

https://patorrez.com/lock-her-up/

My research indicates that Director Comey’s statement was, in all significant respects, correct. Prosecutors do not bring cases on facts similar to those present in Hillary Clinton’s case. In particular, I can find no case, anywhere, in which any person has ever been sentenced under the Espionage Act without evidence that said person unambiguously knew the material they were removing was confidential. Since that fact is not present here, I conclude that Hillary Clinton received no special treatment when the government declined to indict her.




This subject is explored in much greater depth, by an attorney here

 

My reply is this: 'Coup" is a term of art, whatever it was, laws were broken, and that is all that matters.

But he was trying to subvert the election. he tried to get each of the State Secy's of State to decertify their elections, based on claims of fraud, without evidence all in an attempt to deprive Biden of his 270 electors which he had earned. If there weren't 270 electors on either side by the deadline, then the vote goes to the house, where republicans have a two state majority.

Then Trump, and his surrogates, Bannon, Navarro, Eastman, et al, conspired with about 100 congresspersons and Senators to contest votes during the Joint Session in the swing states, primarily with the purpose of denying Biden his 270, which he has already earned whereupon Pence was supposed to remand the contested votes back to th states, where they would try to resolve the contested issues, the objective of witch denying Biden of 270 electors by the deadline thus throwing the vote to the house where republicans had a two state majority.. The contestations are not based on hard evidence, as the courts in each of the states where the 60 lawsuits were filed were shot down due to 1. lack of standing, 2. evidence presented lacked merit.


Then he tried to persuade Pence to remand the contested votes (during the Joint Session) back to the states, he put a TON of pressure, during the campaign, during the rally, and while the attack was going on , he declared that Pence refused to comply, resulting on the attackers to chant 'Hang Mike Pence'. So much pressure was placed on Pence that he consulted with his old friend, who was also a VP and went through the same Joint Session certification process, Dan Quayle, who persuaded Pence that he had no constitutionally allowed unilateral authority to remand the contested votes to the states. All that was allowed was a 2 hour in house debate session to sort it out. If Dan Quayle were someone like Kari Lake, we'd be having an entirely different discussion. Pence gives much more detail about this, in his book. Trump said he 'would no longer be his friend', if Pence didn't acquiesce to the scheme. Imagine that, Pence has been a loyal Trump soldier for 4 years, and this one last thing they disagree, and he says 'I won't be your friend anymore". Some guy.

So, yes, there were components of the multifaceted plan that were illegal.

Yes, we shall see what Jack Smith decides, and like I said in my previous reply, if the above doesn't result in an indictment, the documents fiasco will, though I prefer it to be for the subversion scheme.

 

Coup is a term of art? I have never heard it defined in that manner. Do you have anything objective source to back up that assertion or did you just make it up because deep down you too know it is not a coup and calling it "art" in your mind creates wiggle room?

You keep repeating yourself while NOT responding to my singular point. I will repeat in the hopes that you actually address that point.

Every part of the plan that you laid out was always still under the scrutiny of the courts, and in no way was it trying to subvert the legal system. That is NOT a coup, and trying legal maneuvering under judicial oversight is NOT illegal. It is legal maneuvering, and nothing more. You have been locked in your echo chamber for so long that you have completely lost the forest for the trees. It is perfectly legal to try to avail oneself of every potential loophole that exists. If any of those attempts are thwarted by being declared illegal, that in NO WAY renders the attempt as being illegal.

...... in light of the above, is there ANYTHING in his "plan" that you have laid out, where he was subverting judicial oversight?

You keep saying that some parts of his plan were illegal, but that does not mean that asserting the plan and trying those machinations was illegal. As long as everything he asserted was under judicial oversight, there is nothing illegal in throwing potential loopholes against a wall to see if anything sticks.

 

Translation, deflect and hope no one will notice that Republicans are lying and have no solutions.

 

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm, the reason YOU posted is because Democrats don't have any solutions so deflect, deflect, deflect, and orange man bad. Your post didn't offer any solutions, all it offered was orange man bad.

 

You know what you did you stacked the same ole crap together that you always do in a slightly different fashioned and claimed it meant Trump was guilty of something illegal without actually demonstrating anything illegal was done.

 

Occupying one building for a few hours cannot be considered an attempt to overthrow the government. That's absurd.

 

Please bother someone else. I don't traffic in sophomoric exchanges, which, apparently, is your comfort zone.

 

The subversion plot had little to do with the attack. In point of fact, the attack was a fumble on the plan.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

 

Do you hide under your bed a lot?

 

"Term of art" simply means it's a legal term with a precise meaning (IOW not to be toss around loosely) that's all. But, of course, most of us do toss it around loosely and we shouldn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d'état

All that matters is the committee believes crimes were committed, and the report will detail it. Maybe it's not a coup, maybe it's subversion, sedition, maybe all of these, I don't know.

At the minimum, parts of the 8 (or 9, or however many it was) point plan, some of them are believed to be illegal by the committee, they say, if not the entire scheme.

We shall see what the report says, if there is a criminal referral, and what jack smith comes up with.

At the minimum, the documents fiasco is definitely indictable. Whether the DOJ has the cajones to go through with it, I do not know.

Smith is not only investigating what the Committee was doing a fact finding operation on, he is investigating the documents fiasco, as well.

 

About as much as you stick your head up your ass, eh?

 

I'll file that in the unicorn dreams file.

 

I'll engage if and when you reply substantively.

It's really that simple.

So, give me the URL to which you are referring, so then perhaps I can make sense out of what your issue is.

 

He’s never going away thanks to all the dem supporters bringing him up every single day.
There’s way more President Trump threads on here that threads about how great the corpse biden is doing for the country.

 

Dodge...

 

cause repubs can't let him go, he is a threat to this nation and the world

 

This whole thread demonstrates clearly that Dems will waste all sorts of time and effort trying convict Trump of SOMETHING... ANYTHING and never quit... over and over... and over. There are liberals yet unborn that will search endlessly to convict Trump and any or all of his supporters of ANYTHING AT ALL.
Oh... and from two Impeachments to the Mueller Report to the Steel Dossier to Jan 6... all they can do is produce NOTHINGBURGERS.

 

You can’t twist this fresh, your people keep bringing him up. Look at the tittles of the threads man.

 

as long as he is a threat, we will comment on the things he does, the right still supporting this man is crazy... though on a positive note, many Republicans are starting to see the light

Trump is a 2024 Candidate, we won't let the Country forget

 

A threat? Name something that is REAL and not invented by the far left who are using your tax dollars to try and convict a President of the United States who will never be convicted!!??

It’s hilarious to me that there are still some who can’t see that the reason the corrupt politicians want to get rid of President Trump is because they are terrified of him.

Imagine all these investigations that President Trump has endured and beat pointed at biden, pelosi, or any other current corrupt politician.

They couldn’t beat these investigations!!

It really bothers me that people like you scream corruption at someone they absolutely CANNOT convict, yet your current corrupt leaders are passing these billion dollar spending packages and getting their kickbacks with no resistance from you the taxpayer.

From now on I’m just going to agree with you: Now they got him, just so I can laugh out loud.